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Let me reprhase it.
But for racing on a hot day, and reroute begi style, and use the colder coolant to the turbo you are talking about like the mazda speed. You should be better for the track. Not perfect, but better. If you could souce straight cold water. That definately would be better. Keep in mind. I'm leaving my car the way it is. I'm not playing god. I just want it to run like a rapped ape. If the heater won't work. I'll fix the heater, or sell it! |
This has been a good read. I learned, I laughed, I cried... :bowrofl: Ive been wondering the entire time, why feed the turbo from the hotter coolant before it goes into the rad. and not from the cooler source, like brought up above. The 323's setup to me looks like it would be a large improvement for turbo cooling. I dont really see what Hyper's deisgn improves over other reroute methods. Im also in shock he is still here, anybody else would have been gone long ago. Continue, Im just watching from the sidelines.
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Originally Posted by NA6C-Guy
(Post 340490)
I dont really see what Hyper's deisgn improves over other reroute methods.
It dramatically improves the potential of overheating and destruction. |
Well yes, besides that... has no one ever adopted a similar routing to the 323 to a turbo Miata? Using that spot on the block that was posted earlier, wouldnt it be a pretty easy thing?
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Originally Posted by NA6C-Guy
(Post 340503)
Well yes, besides that... has no one ever adopted a similar routing to the 323 to a turbo Miata? Using that spot on the block that was posted earlier, wouldnt it be a pretty easy thing?
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Yeah i was wanting to know if it was a sure thing that it was usable, so I could go ahead and drill, tap and plug it while I had the block apart, so when I do get the turbo and install it, its ready to go.
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Your block should have it, it's just next to the oil port. It's where they source the coolant from the factory on the 323s, you can see this in my diagram i posted.
I'll be by my spare block tomorrow, maybe I'll pull the plug and see if I can measure the threads for you guys. |
I think that the valid points from this thread and this thread:
https://www.miataturbo.net/forum/t28985/ Be consolodated into on stickied thread for Coolant Reroutes. Obviously deleting all of the assinine as illogically stupid comments that have been spewed. |
I wanted to say to everybody in this forum that gave a fair point of view and opinion in this topic a big thank you. Cya everybody.
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Originally Posted by Hyper
(Post 340565)
I wanted to say to everybody in this forum that gave a fair point of view and opinion in this topic a big thank you. Cya everybody.
Or are you that dense you have no clue and life is perfect...example: cars around you always seem to run off the road and you never get into any accidents, but in reality you're not yielding to traffic and they are swerving from getting hit by you??? |
Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 340515)
Your block should have it, it's just next to the oil port. It's where they source the coolant from the factory on the 323s, you can see this in my diagram i posted.
I'll be by my spare block tomorrow, maybe I'll pull the plug and see if I can measure the threads for you guys. If you look at the 323 diagram I posted in msg #75, you can see (barely) how the turbo feeds from this location and then drains to a fitting on the rigid pipe which goes to the mixing manifold. It would be satisfactorily equivalent to put a tee into the rubber hose which runs from the bottom of the thermostat housing to the top of the mixing manifold, and return the turbo's coolant there. Here's a much clearer view of the 323 GTX system than the one I posted before: http://users.telenet.be/miata/images...tx_cooling.gif I'm really surprised that nobody has mentioned the extremely obvious, however. The best place, with the coldest coolant at the highest pressure, is the front thermostat outlet. If you choose to block it with a plate, then threading a fitting in here is a no-brainer. Even if you use a freeze plug, I'd wager that with a steel fitting and a steady hand you could thread the plug and then tack-weld the fitting into place. Here's a really interesting set of data, where the author installed a rear-thermostat reroute but also left the front thermostat in place, and installed a valve that allowed him to select between the two in order to compare them.: http://users.telenet.be/miata/englis...nt_reroute.htm Obviously, the rear thermostat setup produced the smallest temperature delta across the engine, and thus the most even temperature distribution.
Originally Posted by NA6C-Guy
I dont really see what Hyper's deisgn improves over other reroute methods. Im also in shock he is still here, anybody else would have been gone long ago.
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Whats up with the one in the picture posted in the last page? Is the fitting broken off in the hole? Is it an already threaded and plugged hole, or is it just a flat casting area that needs to be drilled and tapped? I havent looked very close at that area on my block (94). Would be nice if it were already ready to go and just needed a fitting. If not, I think I already have that size drill and tap from a previous project, so not a big deal either way. Thanks for the info fellas.
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failure is not a word for individuals that take NO for an answer.
Hold-on on your comments... Hyper is coming back |
More preparation, more humility.
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Here are the pictures of the coolant feed for the turbo on MSMs:
Block port: Attachment 209658 And the pipe that travels the length of the exhaust manifold: Attachment 209659 |
Originally Posted by NA6C-Guy
(Post 340708)
Whats up with the one in the picture posted in the last page? Is the fitting broken off in the hole? Is it an already threaded and plugged hole, or is it just a flat casting area that needs to be drilled and tapped? I havent looked very close at that area on my block (94). Would be nice if it were already ready to go and just needed a fitting. If not, I think I already have that size drill and tap from a previous project, so not a big deal either way. Thanks for the info fellas.
Click to enlarge. . http://westfieldmx5.devocht.com/star...or_water_t.JPG http://westfieldmx5.devocht.com/star...t_supply_t.JPG Joe, the 2nd pic you posted is from a 1.6 323. It is different to that of the 1.8 323 you posted earlier (the colored one). On the 1.6, the water feed for the oil cooler / heater comes from a port in the intake. On the 1.8, it comes from the back of the head (double fitting where the miata has a single fitting). |
Originally Posted by f_devocht
(Post 340824)
NB's don't have that hole. Here's a pic of an NB. Red dot is water feed and blue dot is oil feed on the older engines. I slightly pressurised the water system and drilled the red dot for water.
Originally Posted by f_devocht
Joe, the 2nd pic you posted is from a 1.6 323. It is different to that of the 1.8 323 you posted earlier (the colored one).
On the 1.6, the water feed for the oil cooler / heater comes from a port in the intake. On the 1.8, it comes from the back of the head (double fitting where the miata has a single fitting). The location and orientation of the major components (thermostat and outlet, mixing manifold, etc) is identical between them two generations, insofar as I'm aware.
Originally Posted by Hyper
(Post 340756)
failure is not a word for individuals that take NO for an answer.
Hold-on on your comments... Hyper is coming back
Originally Posted by NA6C-Guy
(Post 340708)
Whats up with the one in the picture posted in the last page? Is the fitting broken off in the hole?
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answer to joe perez
yes and will appreciate very much you remove my avatar thanks |
Wow.
I got back to my hotel this evening and logged in to find that you had written quite a lengthy post which, despite your usual disregard for spelling, grammar, syntax, punctuation, capitalization, and sentence structure in general, was remarkably coherent and obviously very carefully considered. While I was reading it, you edited it. Then you edited it again. And then again. And again. I finally gave up and went out to grab some dinner and a few drinks. By the time I returned, you’d edited the damn thing a total of sixteen times over the course of an hour and a half, removing nearly every word of your original opus and reducing it to one irrelevant sentence. For those who are interested, here is what Hyper originally wrote:
Originally Posted by Hyper
answer to joe perez
yes and will appreciate very much you remove my avatar. i have been working all day doing some revisions to my reroute. the major changes involve relocating thermostat to the back of the cylinder head and maybe tapping and threating the fitting used on the cylinder for the factory oil cooler of which i will no longer be using. most likely will install a hose there to the inlet heater core pipe. i also ordered a jr spacer to brainstorm some ideas when i reroute the hot coolant to the radiator. the hot coolant line that was connected to the turbo is blocked and sealed with a freeze plug. my built block is the as the 1.6 323 turbo block, i will cooling the turbo using this concept. if you don't mind and you still feel amused of my persevance and will power please create a chart with the following revisions. i trying to think outside the box to come through using incoherent independent thinking related to this matter, thanks 1. jr spacer in the back of the cylinder head with thermostat 2. factory fitting used for factory oil cooler will be removed and tapped. undecided as to what to do here. most likely heater core will connect here or hot coolant will be rerouted to the radiator. 3. hot coolant that was feeding the turbo in factory miata thermostat housing is now blocked with a freeze plug, turbo will routed just as the mazdaspeed. 4. front thermostat housing no longer has a thermotat, it is now open for free coolant flow. 5. depending on the size jr spacer, i am planning to hook up a spacer to the front thermostat housing with 1 or 2 ports to connect hot coolant braided linesfrom the back of the cylinder head at this location i want to use a method that is simple and that break pretty much the present reroute concepts. my reroute will bypass the mixing pipe as you all saw in the pics and reroute plenty of hot coolant from the back the cylinder head to the radiator. about the only thin g that has me holding is the jr spacer. i need to know how big is that spacer to come up with some ideas i have in mind. just fyi, i will be using big custom braided lines instead of pipes and hoses to reroute the hot coolant from the back of the cylinder head. they r very flexible and bulletproof . . if any of you of care about my comments please post and updated chart with the revisions. it was very when this topic started and will help me choose the best and path i need to endeavor to reach what i have in mind. so hold-on kids, hyper is coming back ..... Now, since you’re actually showing some initiative here (despite chickening out and nuking the whole thing at the last minute) I’m going to be completely serious and straightforward, and give you an honest and sincere response, sharing insights about what you’re proposing instead of taking the easy out and just calling you an asshat. yes and will appreciate very much you remove my avatar. i have been working all day doing some revisions to my reroute. the major changes involve relocating thermostat to the back of the cylinder head (…) (…) and maybe tapping and threating the fitting used on the cylinder for the factory oil cooler of which i will no longer be using. most likely will install a hose there to the inlet heater core pipe. if you don't mind and you still feel amused of my persevance and will power please create a chart with the following revisions. 1. jr spacer in the back of the cylinder head with thermostat 2. factory fitting used for factory oil cooler will be removed and tapped. undecided as to what to do here. most likely heater core will connect here or hot coolant will be rerouted to the radiator. 3. hot coolant that was feeding the turbo in factory miata thermostat housing is now blocked with a freeze plug, turbo will routed just as the mazdaspeed. 4. front thermostat housing no longer has a thermotat, it is now open for free coolant flow. 5. depending on the size jr spacer, i am planning to hook up a spacer to the front thermostat housing with 1 or 2 ports to connect hot coolant braided linesfrom the back of the cylinder head at this location On the other hand, if said hoses are connected to the back pre-thermostat, then they will accomplish nothing. Remember, coolant won't flow through a hose unless the pressure on one end is different from the pressure at the other. And again, we don't actually want any coolant entering or leaving through the front thermostat hole- that's the flaw in the design that we're trying to fix, remember? Block the front thermostat opening. You can drive a freeze plug into the hole or you can bolt a flat plate across it, but you need to prevent coolant from escaping through this avenue- this is the primary point of doing a reroute in the first place. i want to use a method that is simple and that break pretty much the present reroute concepts. my reroute will bypass the mixing pipe as you all saw in the pics and reroute plenty of hot coolant from the back the cylinder head to the radiator. about the only thin g that has me holding is the jr spacer. i need to know how big is that spacer to come up with some ideas i have in mind. it was very when this topic started and will help me choose the best and path i need to endeavor to reach what i have in mind. As a general note, consider that someday you will be finished with school (yes, I know it seems that day will never come but it does) and presumably looking for gainful employment. While not everyone is expected to be Shakespeare, the manner in which you speak and write will have a tremendous bearing upon your success in the business world. It doesn’t matter if you’re applying to the PhD program at Oxford, an apprenticeship with the Pipefitter’s Union, or some office job downtown. Those who communicate clearly and properly will find that they are, without exception, taken more seriously and treated in a more respectful manner than those who write and speak as though they ambled in off the street. |
:bowrofl: The Mario Paint comment got me, almost spilled my drink. Thanks alot!
So Hyper was listening after all, maybe. |
Originally Posted by Joe Perez
(Post 340957)
And I would appreciate very much a three-way with Tricia Helfer and Grace Park.
+1, but |
it's difficult to write from the ps3 since i am waiting for the revised wireless keyboard version which will be released this coming dec. 15. first, let me say that you wasted an inmensed amount of time writing to me. the truth is that after careful consideration of my words and my proposition for an updated chart i decided the reroute concept i have in mind needs to be consistent with the pictures i first posted here. with that said and i say here in public i am working on a much improved version of my reroute which is very similar as to what you already saw but with larger coolant pipe diameter that will pretty mirror the concept i have in mind. just fyi, that was the main and only reason i deleted my questions to you.
as to the revisions of my proyect, the jr spacer makes a lot of sense. thermostat will be relocated to rear and coolant pipe diameter will be larger. i will probably install a freeze plug in the mixing pipe and work on some minor other revisions wi the front thermostat housing. as of now there is nothing else to add from me. it looks like concepts, prototypes and ideas are not well accepted in this forum or only by very selected group of people that call themselves grown ups. |
Hyper and Haverty would get along GREAT!
Hyper- you have made an ass out of yourself. Everybody else- this thread is hilarious. Hyper again- New ideas are welcomed in this forum. Believe me, I've posted plenty of dumb shit I thought up on this forum. Look around. Some was good, some was bad. But it's all accepted. I come up with something and 20 people tell me I'm wrong, or it wont' work, and of those 20, 11 give good reasons why, and 3 of them even break it down for me and explain the underlying physics, answering the whys and hows to it, then I accept I am probably wrong and further investigate the matter. As far as reroutes go, I'm working on an all mazda reroute. But it will be this summer before I finish it. But mine will use 100% mazda parts modified with simple tools to work. No lathes, mills, or drill press or anything fancy needed. |
Originally Posted by patsmx5
(Post 341000)
Hyper and Haverty would get along GREAT!
Hyper- you have made an ass out of yourself. Everybody else- this thread is hilarious. Hyper again- New ideas are welcomed in this forum. Believe me, I've posted plenty of dumb shit I thought up on this forum. Look around. Some was good, some was bad. But it's all accepted. I come up with something and 20 people tell me I'm wrong, or it wont' work, and of those 20, 11 give good reasons why, and 3 of them even break it down for me and explain the underlying physics, answering the whys and hows to it, then I accept I am probably wrong and further investigate the matter. As far as reroutes go, I'm working on an all mazda reroute. But it will be this summer before I finish it. But mine will use 100% mazda parts modified with simple tools to work. No lathes, mills, or drill press or anything fancy needed. i am don't know why i am posting here since i said i am already gone. but the truth is since the inception of my topic i in this forum i have been criticized flamed insulted with a bunch of other comments simply cause i don't want to follow the steps of someone else. the fact is and i admit it, my reroute prototype has flaws but guess what the factory miata cooling system has flaws too! so i am just trying find solutions with innovative simple ideas, that's it. so the final word is like this. YOU BETTER ALL CHILL OUT WITH ME AND SIMPLY ACCEPT ME WITH MY STURBORN INCOHERENT CRAZY CUBAN PERSONALITY . this website is crazy is probably worst than any cuban forum i go to. so whatever bro, if you want to chill and come together in a collective logical manner let's make this topic valuable and no just another stupid boring topic. i'll find a way to fabricate a reroute kit for u all. i love innovating and working on cars too!!! and one more thing, remove the fuckin' avatar. i hate it too! |
Damn I suck at posting in the wrong threads
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Originally Posted by Joe Perez
And I would appreciate very much a three-way with Tricia Helfer and Grace Park.
Hyper, I would say I'm sorry to see you leave the community, but the truth of the matter is that I have a headache from reading this thread, mostly from the facepalm every one of your posts inspired. So goodbye, and don't let your head overheat on you on the way out. |
I like revising my plans after I see what other people do is better....and I never omit that I was wrong and pretend is was all my idea in the first place.
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lol....great read. How do some of you guys have the time to write such in depth crazy long replies? It hurts my brain to even look at the paragraphs sometimes, let alone the content. Seriously....some of the knowledge on here can literally hurt you.
Vash- |
I'm lol'ing at his new avatar, god we're ass holes. anywhoo. next up should be a picture from Brokeback mountain or something.
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With my reroute I:
- daisy chained the oil warmer, TB warmer, and turbo - mounted the t-stat in the rear - plugged the front outlet - drilled and tapped a heater source under the rear t-stat - kept the heater outlet connected to the water pump inlet |
Originally Posted by Hyper
(Post 341013)
YOU BETTER ALL CHILL OUT WITH ME AND SIMPLY ACCEPT ME WITH MY STURBORN INCOHERENT CRAZY CUBAN PERSONALITY .
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Has anyone pointed out that in the lower left scheme, there will be near zero heater flow when the t-stat is open because there's near zero pressure differential across the heater?
https://www.miataturbo.net/forum/att...flow-remod.jpg |
Originally Posted by JasonC SBB
(Post 341133)
Has anyone pointed out that in the lower left scheme, there will be near zero heater flow when the t-stat is open because there's near zero pressure differential across the heater?
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Originally Posted by supersaiyan93
(Post 341040)
So say we all. :D
Originally Posted by JasonC SBB
(Post 341133)
Has anyone pointed out that in the lower left scheme, there will be near zero heater flow when the t-stat is open because there's near zero pressure differential across the heater?
Yeah, a couple of people have pointed that out. And by a couple, I mean pretty much the whole readership of MT.net. Several times. You really should go all the way back to the beginning of this thread and read the whole thing for laughs. BTW- I don't know who did Hyper's current avatar (the gay cowboy Norris one) but I love it! :bigtu: |
Originally Posted by Hyper
(Post 341013)
YOU BETTER ALL CHILL OUT WITH ME AND SIMPLY ACCEPT ME WITH MY STURBORN INCOHERENT CRAZY CUBAN PERSONALITY .
So far, my favorite is the decorative, no-flow "oil cooler". BTW, can't his skillfully rendered self-portrait have a Santa hat? It would be more festive:) |
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Originally Posted by adjemin
(Post 341175)
Can't his skillfully rendered self-portrait have a Santa hat? It would be more festive:)
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Originally Posted by Hyper
(Post 341013)
dude
so the final word is like this. YOU BETTER ALL CHILL OUT WITH ME AND SIMPLY ACCEPT ME WITH MY STURBORN INCOHERENT CRAZY CUBAN PERSONALITY . this website is crazy is probably worst than any cuban forum i go to. |
I think hustler should pick the new hyper avatar. Oh yeah, hyper is actually a paralegal and is in his mid 30's. He's not a kid belive it or not LOL
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Meh, I'm bored.
Originally Posted by Hyper
(Post 341013)
dude
Originally Posted by Hyper
(Post 341013)
i am don't know why i am posting here since i said i am already gone. but the truth is since the inception of my topic i in this forum i have been criticized flamed insulted with a bunch of other comments simply cause i don't want to follow the steps of someone else.
Originally Posted by Hyper
(Post 341013)
the fact is and i admit it, my reroute prototype has flaws
Originally Posted by Hyper
(Post 341013)
but guess what the factory miata cooling system has flaws too! so i am just trying find solutions with innovative simple ideas, that's it.
Originally Posted by Hyper
(Post 341013)
YOU BETTER ALL CHILL OUT WITH ME AND SIMPLY ACCEPT ME WITH MY STURBORN INCOHERENT CRAZY CUBAN PERSONALITY.
Originally Posted by Hyper
(Post 341013)
this website is crazy is probably worst than any cuban forum i go to.
Originally Posted by Hyper
(Post 341013)
so whatever bro, if you want to chill and come together in a collective logical manner let's make this topic valuable and no just another stupid boring topic. i'll find a way to fabricate a reroute kit for u all. i love innovating and working on cars too!!!
You'd better enjoy wrenching, because it seems that's all you do. Innovate, fuck up, post about it on the internet, blow motor, rinse, repeat.
Originally Posted by Hyper
(Post 341013)
and one more thing, remove the fuckin' avatar. i hate it too!
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Originally Posted by Savington
(Post 341202)
blow motor, rinse, repeat.
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Awww man, I love this place. :bowrofl: That avatar is the best.
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Originally Posted by Hyper
(Post 340112)
yes, difficult to digest si? but that's it
So looking through this entire thread for the 1st time it looks to me like Hyper got a pass on what appeared to be a mildly racist comment to Joe Perez. Si? At least he finally folded on the idea he knew what he was doing. Back to the ol drawing board for him! I'd sure love to see a simple, elegant and affordable solution to the water routing issues we deal with though. 27 degrees here today. My BEGI reroute needs re-rerouting! |
Originally Posted by cueball1
(Post 341673)
I'd sure love to see a simple, elegant and affordable solution to the water routing issues we deal with though. 27 degrees here today. My BEGI reroute needs re-rerouting!
just like i posted. easy breezy. http://users.telenet.be/miata/englis...nt_reroute.htm |
Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 341717)
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pretty much the same thing, just without the spacer... hence "spacerless"
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ok good. I'm too lazy to searh in the thread but does it warm like a no reroute cooling system?
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I want to punch you.
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Go for it, but please answer but question first :)
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Originally Posted by Dark Wanderer
(Post 341794)
ok good. I'm too lazy to searh in the thread but does it warm like a no reroute cooling system?
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Originally Posted by patsmx5
(Post 341843)
fail
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Hell if I can read that shit. Stop posting fail in this thread. Hyper has that covered already. We were having plenty of fun making fun of him. Don't take that away from us.
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something about going and shoving it up your ass if you don't like it.
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well its seems as though the hyper homo has disapeared. damn too bad it was getting reallly fun watching him burn
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Originally Posted by curly
(Post 341860)
something about going and shoving it up your ass if you don't like it.
"You can go you put an egg up your ass if you're not happy!" |
close enough, I forgot oeuf was egg
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wow good read:eek5:
people like hyper piss me off. its not that he wants to come up with something different and reinvent the wheel. that I am ok with. its how he dismisses people's valid arguments as if they are meaningless ramblings going to read up on the "real" coolant rerout now:giggle: |
Originally Posted by Dark Wanderer
(Post 341853)
Meh :fawk:Tu peux aller te mettre un oeuf dans le rectum si tu n'es pas content! ;)
comment dit-on do a fucking search en francais |
Originally Posted by 18psi
(Post 341896)
wow good read:eek5:
people like hyper piss me off. its not that he wants to come up with something different and reinvent the wheel. that I am ok with. its how he dismisses people's valid arguments as if they are meaningless ramblings going to read up on the "real" coolant rerout now:giggle: |
Originally Posted by Hyper
(Post 341906)
i am watching this topic, just a wait about a week and you, sapingo-savington and team r going to be shit pissed off for real.
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shit pissed:giggle:
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