Let me also add something usefull to this thread. I plumbed my water lines today and the water port on the block is deffinately a M12x1.25.
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Nice Lev! I want to do something like you did with all stainless hose!

hm i didn't know that I could use that port for the water lines :bang:

That looks pretty good. Going to leave that much slack? Or just havent trimmed them down yet. Maybe they need to be that long, I dont know. Good to know the size is correct. I guess I will go ahead and source the fittings to have them, incase I forget by the time its turbo time. For the early 1.8 blocks with the port already open, what is it plugged with? I cant recall even really seeing it in the past.

Its pluged with a bolt. I am using that same port for water.

tre' pimp phil

Thanks, the water lines are perfect length. The oil feed could be shorter but I only had a few options when I bought the line. Anything shorter that they had in stock wouldv'e been too short.
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Phil, got a picture from the front? Want to see how you connected the other line.

Here ya go...
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phil:

Let me explain you what is the problem with that set up.
If you don't have A/C and power steering in your car your set up is fine you don't need to worry about this comment, but if you do as I see the A/C metal bracket you have to find a way to move the braided line in the water pump down since it interferes with the A/C power steering belt that connects there. I don't think you are using either one or both but if you do, I guess is also more head scratching for you too.

There is nothing wrong with this setup. It is exactly the way it was when you came to my house and helped me set it up. The only thing I changed is moving the other line from the t-stat water neck over to the block.
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Damn Phil, nice work! Looks good!

Hyper, did you not notice that the line is BEHIND the front of that A/C bracket (which you just edited your post to say you saw)? The belt goes on the forward part of the crank pulley, which is well in front of that braided line. Pretty sure he has that all figured out though.

What Hyper doesn't seem to realize is that I'm actually rooting for him. I want him to succeed and some up with something intelligent and well-designed. To see that sort of transformation would restore the small piece of my faith in humanity that died with the State of Florida v. Fernando Castillo.

Thanks and thanks.

Now just incase anyone is worried about the line interfering with anything you can see here in this pic that it fits behind the a/c belt perfectly. Im also pretty confident that is you have p/s you could make this work.
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Maybe when you remove the old man avatar and put something like a crazy hard headed Tony Montana cuban kid, maybe I soften down a little bit. Until then, I rather choose the path of enlightment just like Christopher Columbus / Galileo Galilei did....

Hyper reroute concept is headed to the exhaust side, to the left.

Phil, what's the line coming out of the waterneck for now?

Agreed with power steering. Especially now that you have the line feeding into the block instead of the t-stat and not in the region of the PS pump.
I can't get over how good that looks. I may have to change my mind on how I route mine and steal your idea. I was going to use some connectors I have and use braided lines on the same locations that FM/BEGi uses, but this looks a lot cleaner.

EDIT: Braineack, nothing. Look at the motor pics out of the bay, appears he has a freeze plug where the neck used to be.

removing and tapping the hose fittings is super easy, easier than the drilling the oil pan.

I expect that the picture of the engine still in the car is an older one, from before the turbo's feed was relocated from the thermostat housing to the side of the block.

works for me.

I still laugh everytime I see that avatar!!!!!!!!!!!! And he even has the group Santa Hat! LOL.

these should be helpful:

coolant flow - stock

coolant flow - rerouted


You need to remember, the only reason to reroute is to equalize the cooling effect between #1 and #4.

You are correct.
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Actually since I keep coming back to post on this topic let me give you my point on the existing coolant reroutes (intake side).

Coolant rerouting via intake side is long. Because the limited amount of space in the miata engine bay most piping is rerouted under the intake manifold by the firewall then to the radiator. On cars with EGR systems the system looks complicated. On top of that coolant is rerouted down and then back up to the upper radiator port. I don't know what effect that will do to the water pump but I suspect that because of the additional coolant volume, water pumps will not last that long. Also, as to what I have seen to date, the existing coolant reroutes do not eliminate the mixing pipe and because of the larger recirculating process (additional pipes and hoses) they add additional points of failure. So the point is that maybe in a non-force inducted engine coolant reroute via intake side may be the best choice but on a turbo system making lots of power and engine rocking side to side those motor mounts and coolant pipe mounting points better be good, real good.

Im starting to hate this thread. Really........LMAO i just noticed Hypers new avatar aaahahahahahahah

lmfao, Merry Christmas from Homo Montana......
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Several years ago with the stock setup I datalogged the temps of coolant exiting the t-stat vs. at the back of the head (entering the heater). At idle and low engine speeds, there was a huge disparity. So the capacity of the cooling system at low engine speeds (such as idling in traffic), is effectively greatly increased. It will help cure low speed overheating. At higher RPMs this effect is reduced but still there.

And, in the common reroute shown
http://boostedmiata.com/technical/co...ow-reroute.jpg
there will be very little flow through the oil warmer when the t-stat is closed, the opposite of the intended effect.
If you remove the connection to the front of the head totally, and simply connect the TB to the turby, there will always be flow.

Do you think before you post? I have a degree in advertising and know more about fluid dynamics from reading the cover of a book once....

I'm going to sum up your post:

1. Coolant rerouted from the back of the head is long
2. Most reroute towards the passenger side (1 of 2 options)
3. Cars equipped with EGRs may have space issues
4. You're unsure what the extra capacity after the thermostat will do to the water pump
5. Some reroutes don't remove the mixing manifold because it's complicated.
6. Routing the coolant back to the radiator on the passenger side is better for N/A
7. Engine rocking posses an issue

now to rebut:

1. You're retarded

Just answer me.

Who is your sponsor here? Who do you advertise for? And by the way, with the exception of the JR spacer comments in the link you posted here, Devoutch's; that reroute does not make any sense to me in my point of view. Show me facts, nor just comments. About the only thing you impressed me so far is with those charts you made, that’s it.

I have a bachelor's degree in advertising :ne: I have a company that advertises on this site

I can see where some of this confusion arises. From the image you linked to earlier, it does appear that the lower (or inner) half of the thermostat housing is meant to be left in place and capped with a piece of flat plate, and the fitting from the TB housing to the thermostat housing, and from the thermostat housing, through the turbo to the mixing manifold, to be left in place. Specifically:
http://img32.picoodle.com/img/img32/...tm_730b7b5.gif
In such a configuration, coolant flow through the oil cooler would be compromised by the fact that coolant would be flowing out the front of the head into the thermostat housing, thus raising the pressure within the housing and resisting the flow of coolant in from the TB / cooler.


I would suggest that the illustration be changed as follows:
http://img33.picoodle.com/img/img33/...mm_1dca2c2.gif

In this version, it is clear that the thermostat housing is to be removed entirely and capped directly at the block, and the coolant returning from the TB routed directly into the turbo and then to the mixing manifold. In this configuration, coolant will flow through the entire circuit at all times.

Additionally, I've illustrated a restriction placed in series between the head and the heater core. If you look at the 323 diagrams, you will note that the feed to the heater core is sourced from a relatively small fitting on the engine. The issue here is that if the heater core is fed from a relatively large diameter fitting, then even when the thermostat is open, a large volume of coolant will continue to flow through the heater core, bypassing the radiator. By inserting a restricted orifice into the line, one more closely approximates the 323 setup, where the heater core does not present a significant bypass opportunity.

On the 1.6, one could achieve the same result by feeding the heater core from the "cursed water plug", which would in turn eliminate the requirement for creating a new heater core feed fitting:
http://img19.picoodle.com/img/img19/...dm_fc972f2.gif


Best rebuttal ever.

http://img32.picoodle.com/img/img32/...dm_694c2eb.jpg

i dont understand why all this great knowledge is being completely wasted on someone whos main objective is to continually convince themselves that they are right and all of us are wrong.

Its like trying to burn ants with a magnifying glass only your trying to do indoors. with a flourescent bulb.

When can we delegate this thread soley to fail pics, and pure witty insults and the like?

Makes a lot of sense. I always like doing things the easy way, so a block off plate was easier than removing the cams and fitting a plug. Remember, I don't even have an oil cooler or TB lines or a water cooled turbo ;)

I'd suspect an easier solution would be running the TB outlet directly into the water pump, and source the turbo inlet off the block.

here I updated:

http://boostedmiata.com/technical/co...ed-reroute.jpg

The picture Joe shows is the way I have done several, except that I don't put in the restrictor to the heater core and I move the thermostat into the line going back to the radiator so that it is accessable.

hhhhhhhhhhahahahhahahahaha the avatar again aahahahahahahha

Hmm. My turbo isn't water-cooled either, but my TB and oil cooler are.

You wouldn't need to remove the cams to do this, but it might be necessary to remove the cam gears in order to remove the metal backing plate behind them which forms the upper rear portion of the timing belt case.

To avoid that, one could simply leave the TB housing in place and plug the nipple on the bottom, then just route the lines around it. Functionally equivalent to what I posted earlier.

I find myself going back and forth on the best location to source water for the turbo as well as the oil cooler / TB. The coolest water in the engine is to be found at the thermostat outlet. So if one wanted to super-cool the turbo, that would be the place to take it from. The outlet on the intake manifold of the 1.6 is a very close second, as the water there hasn't yet traveled through the majority of the engine. And of course a lot of folks don't have the water outlet on the hot side of the block.

On the other hand, sourcing the water from the back of the head will provide you with a hotter source, but it will also cause greater circulation through the engine when the thermostat is closed, particularly if the heater core feed is restricted as per my markup. On a 1.6, this is the only bypass when the thermostat is closed. I'm really liking Shaikh's oil thermostat.

He did answer you. You're retarded. There's a fact for you. Stop sipping lead paint lattes and do a little research on fluid flow dynamics.

:bowrofl: Thats awsome!

The best thing about this thread is Hyper being.. well... Hyper. Full of fail!
http://lolriot.com/wp-content/upload...tball-fail.jpg

2nd best is this has actually turned into a worthwhile thread regarding coolant reroutes. Leave it to Brain, Joe, Lev and others to turn this around.

Now back to our regularly scheduled Hyper failures...

http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblog...ters/fail4.jpg

^Awesome

You know, the other day at work, I was talking with some of my colleagues about a design. I cannot go into the details for proprietary reasons. I suggested that we should lower the thermal heat flux constant of the sun in order to help with cooling our system during daylight. How hard can it be? A side benefit would be that it would help out with global warming. But my colleagues reminded me this would also negatively impact the solar cell based power generation system for the same item. Damn...

Just to keep you all Hyper-Excited....the JR spacer should arrive tomorrow, and one more pretty "cool add-on feature" I am going to add to Hyper Coolant Reroute setup. Next week I leave on vacation for two-weeks so I'll have plenty time to get this project done.

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Your package is on time with a scheduled delivery date of 12/18/2008.


Tracking Number: 1Z 07X 706 03 02.....
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As of now, I need to have a fair count of all the people that believe in me and of course, all the people that think I am a retarded idiot, and all the words pretty much mentioned about me. Or maybe I should start so here we go, add your names please....


Don't believe in you:
Braineack
Levnubin
Joe Perez
Leatherface24
Kotomile
cueball1
the pink rabitt
and of course .. Sapingo-Savington
Remaining 6 Billion unnamed peoplez

I believe you had a bad idea and decided to change it based on our comments, yet give us no credit for you changing your mind, yes.


I have a coolant spacer and a tube for the return in my possession....does that make me cool too?

:confused: wtf why isn't there a "facepalm" smiley?
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huge "rolls eyes" suffice?


http://smiliesftw.com/x/glock836_roll_eyes.gif

lmfao. I guess it will have to do.
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I think for the first time I am going have to partially consent with you. Thanks to your graphs and knowledge of members of this forum I understood the reroute concept well.

As of now I have nothing else to say, I think this topic is about to reach a paradox.

http://smiliesftw.com/x/yzq0fi3k6gzeae4tlh5j.gif



awesome!
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Listen Asshole, sometimes it takes time to digest information, assimilate and understand it well. I suggest you keep looking at the reroute pics / do your research before you comment.

Its ok. If he succeeds (in blowing his motor for sure) its because everyone helped him. Not because he was revolutionary in his thinking :)

fixed.

This is like, a pickle jar would be fun up the butt guy, and then it breaks.

Paradox: par⋅a⋅dox   /ˈpærəˌdɒks/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [par-uh-doks]–noun

1. a statement or proposition that seems self-contradictory or absurd but in reality expresses a possible truth.
2. a self-contradictory and false proposition.
3. any person, thing, or situation exhibiting an apparently contradictory nature.
4. an opinion or statement contrary to commonly accepted opinion.


I think this thread was full of paradox's to start with!!! :giggle: I'm voting for definitions 2, 3 & 4.

What I think he meant to say is that this thread is soon going to reach epic-ness soon :)

And not for any reasons that Hyper would like

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You think you can interpret something he "meant" to say?!? Why when it's a whole lot more fun to take him at his word anyway!

Personally I think he meant Pinnacle but Paradox is more fitting for this thread!