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Old 07-16-2009, 05:24 PM   #21
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i think we should enforce some of those laws
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Old 07-16-2009, 05:26 PM   #22
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I think you should put it in her bum
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Jason, I completely agree with you. Unfortunately some people just don't want to be responsible for themselves.
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One last point, forced sterilization is a violation of the individual's rights.
Even if the majority support it, it is unconstitutional.

This country is supposed to have a government that protects individual rights.
A government that violates individual rights if the majority supports it, is a pure Democracy. In a Republic that protects individual rights, the majority is not allowed to vote and take away the rights of any one individual.

In a pure Democracy the majority can vote to make miatas or car modifications illegal. In a Republic you can modify your car provided you don't violate other individuals' rights.

(If someone brings up smog laws, that's a gray area because in theory your pollution violates others' rights to the air they breathe)

The beauty of liberty is that it gives you the ability to do what makes you happy (pursuit of happiness, more than any other system). And economic liberty rewards the productive, which is a win-win between the individual and society.

And, taking money from those that are prudent and careful with their money, and giving it to failed banks, people whose mortgages are upside down, and to welfare queens, is in theory a violation of economic liberty and individual rights.

If we let liberty be our guiding light whenever new laws are passed, we would do a lot better, IMO.
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Jason -


Everything you listed can be solved by population control. Are you for it or against it? I'm confused.

EDIT: Pertaining to your original post.
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Jason, I completely agree with you. Unfortunately some people just don't want to be responsible for themselves.
The other side of that coin is that gov't shouldn't force the rest of us to be responsible for them.

Those that will squawk about "helping those that can't help themselves"... think about it, how many % of the population truly can't work to support themselves? I reckon < 1%. (a) in theory a 1% tax would cover them, and (b) charity probably could too. Note when times are good, charitable contributions go up. If productivity were rewarded instead of punished, we'd all be better off.
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Jason -

Everything you listed can be solved by population control. Are you for it or against it? I'm confused.
AGAINST. It is a violation of individual rights.

You can have "population control" in the world if the 3rd World living standards improved.
You can have "low life control" here (what people are actually complaining about), by encouraging people to help themselves.

A lot of these problems are caused by too much government. The solution isn't more government.

P.S. I grew up in the 3rd world, and my best friend there worked in NGO's, in the government, in the World Bank dealing with poverty alleviation projects, etc. He has a lot of insight to this problem. And we have the same views.
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The other side of that coin is that gov't shouldn't force the rest of us to be responsible for them.

Those that will squawk about "helping those that can't help themselves"... think about it, how many % of the population truly can't work to support themselves? I reckon < 1%. (a) in theory a 1% tax would cover them, and (b) charity probably could too. Note when times are good, charitable contributions go up. If productivity were rewarded instead of punished, we'd all be better off.

I agree with that also, It's a lose lose situation.
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Old 07-16-2009, 05:57 PM   #29
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I can understand some points to a degree, but some are just flat out ridiculous.

Yes there's lots of idiots out there popping out kids and they are nowhere near fit to take care of them. Of course it would be nice to "wipe" those "*****" out of the picture, but who are we to say?

And yes there's people out there that maybe should have their meatwands turned off, but who are we to say?

I just feel like its unconstitutional to take away ones choice. However, if we stopped giving so many god damn hand outs to these *******, and maybe only gave the strong a chance to survive it would work itself out over time. You know, made it hard to have 3 kids, no job and stay alive. Maybe thats wrong to say, but if we keep helping them out its never going to stop.
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However, if we stopped giving so many god damn hand outs to these *******, and maybe only gave the strong a chance to survive it would work itself out over time.
It's not a matter of "strong", it's a matter of attitude. With today's technology a burger flipper can afford to eat as many burgers as he wants, buy enough clothes to look decent at a thrift shop, and afford to rent a room. Burger flipping is of course a job for teenagers. With learning any kind of specialized skill (e.g. roof repair, typing up docs in MS Word), a couple can afford to rent a small house and raise one kid in many parts of the country.
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The sum total of intelligence on the planet is a constant; unfortunately, the population continues to grow...
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I just feel like its unconstitutional to take away ones choice.
I hear there's a big debate on abortion....
choice + population control wut?
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Call me crazy, but I think that people ABSOLUTELY SHOULD have to pass some sort of a test and get some sort of a license to have kids. There are SOOOOOO many ******* losers and idiots giving birth to children that mostly grow up to be the same way its insane.
Very much agreed.
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Old 07-16-2009, 06:46 PM   #34
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I hear there's a big debate on abortion....
choice + population control wut?
The correct debate on abortion is for the law to decide at what point the fetus is an individual human being and thus has the individual's right to life. Is it 8 mos, 5 mos, 3 mos? My personal opinion is that it's somehere between 3 and 7 months. And possibly this issue may be left to the individual states as opposed to the Federal gov't.

"Woman's rights" vs. "unborn right to life" is the wrong discussion, they are both individuals and thus both have individual rights.
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Old 07-16-2009, 07:35 PM   #35
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I think we should 'round up all the crying republicans and euthanize them because America is dead and they don't want to live through the pacifist, satan-worshiping, child-killing, communist agenda. The thought of living in a world were people have healthcare, alternative fuels, and one less war is just too much for some people.
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The sum total of intelligence on the planet is a constant; unfortunately, the population continues to grow...
I also believe that female beauty and intelligence are inversely proportionate.
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That's it, something NEEDS to be done. People like this shouldn't be running through the streets.

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Imagine 1/4 of the population gone, all of those types of people. Would fix unemployment, poverty, congestion in cities, or roads and less waiting in lines. You would get the good seats at sporting events... would be perfect.
If this were to happen, many of your loved ones would be dead. 1/4 of the population is alot, you make me sick. The ideal you just stated is completely lucifarian.
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I think we should 'round up all the crying NEOCONS and euthanize them because America is dead and they don't want to live through the pacifist,
Fixed.
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