Damn, you're right. Spending $3,000 to get a new engine installed when you just ruined the old one by never changing the oil is EXACTLY the same as spending 15 minutes once a year to clean your grungy rifle when it starts to lose accuracy.

Do you wash your car every time you drive it? Do you change your oil every time you drive? There is a frequency that needs to be observed with any maintenance item. I was using a 1:1 ratio (shoot:clean) but these guys who are experienced with this weapon are saying that it was too frequent. Note that I clean my Keltec P32 at a 1:10 ratio (clean it a hell of a lot more than I actually shoot it). It is used for a different purpose and gets dirty in a different way. I don't think there is any way to compare the two. I'm 10 minutes away from leaving the house to go to the range now. We are going to pump 500 rounds through the thing and then go grab lunch (also going to buy a new bass guitar <G>). When I get back home I'll put the gun up. Maybe I'll clean it next month, maybe not. But I'm sure it will work just fine. If not, I'll go buy another one (costs less money for a new gun than it does for the ammo to shoot in it). I guess you could almost call the gun disposable.

Last time I went shooting was over the summer on my local Cheeze-n-Wine Techday Picnic / Shootout when I took my brothers AR-15. Only pumped 40 rounds through the rifle that afternoon, then promptly broke it down to clean and oil the entire weapon.

Hardly had anything inside it aside oil, but we cleaned it anyway because it isn't fired very often. My brother pointed out the fact that it wasn't absolutely necessary since it wasn't like a full range day or anything, but that was in June or July of 2009 and it hasn't been shot again since.

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That Squirrel was FUCKED!


First time I actually picked up the PK380 was two weekends ago at a gunshow, and I pretty much decided then I wanted it. Got lucky even finding it in stock at a local store, was the very last one they had. Seems to be a pretty popular pistol from all accounts I've seen on the interwebz.

Damn you for selling all your 380 rounds!

Plan was to go shooting this weekend, but the range we were gonna hit up is outdoors and the weather has just turned to complete shit. 38 degree day outside and we've had snowflakes about twice the size of a quarter falling, then turned to a pretty heavy rain. Damn the luck, maybe we can find an opening at the bullet hole for some indoor action, but that place is pretty well booked on weekends.

Well, we didn't shoot for shit but I did get my bass:

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Never really did post any updates or thoughts on this pistol I bought. Well I have less than 200 rounds through it, decided to carry it and never ran shit ammo through it.

Saturday was doing some draw and fire practice at a friends place. Can't remember how many I had fired, probably close to 8th or 9th draw after squeezing the trigger I noticed something fell to the ground. Realized when I went to apply the safety it was well..... Missing.....

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I've had zero problems with this pistol thus far, but now I'm unsure about carrying it anymore....

I wouldn't worry about it too much. Things break for strange reasons. Maybe you should carry it all the time now because the ONE part that will break in the first 50 years of use has already broken. Who knows? I would guess that what you saw wasn't normal - just a fluke.

Well two things run through my mind.

It still fires, obviously. Continued with my practice and pretended it was a glock with an even worse double action trigger pull. ;)

Second I've been bouncing around the idea of a Keltec PF9. I was really digging that P3AT you've got but kinda want something a little nastier in my pocket than a 380..

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I carry a Keltec P32 for concealment not the P3AT (not sure if you were talking about me with the 380). The 32 gives one more round, has a last round slide lock open and is more reliable than the 380. No, it is not a .45ACP but when I put a red dot on your chest you will stop trying to take my parking space or trying to go through the express lane with 14 items.

Dude I never thought of using my P3AT as a Walmart line enforcer.

Other then the safety breaking how do you like the Walther? Also have you called Walther to ask about it?

I keep thinking "i want to get a pistol, take it to a range, have fun with it, carry it, etc" And then I think about how much work it is to clean the SOB all the damned time. I've spent way too many hours with M16s and M4s broken down in front of me to want to do that shit anymore.

Maybe I'll pass.

P32... P3AT.. same damn thing. ;) I was considering the P3AT until I held the PF9!

The KelTec EN4SR! haha.

Man, TBH, I haven't even really shot it enough to give a thorough review... I remove it from the holster, point, click, it fires. Ran a box of the shittiest brass ammo (PMC?) through it the very first time at the range, 50 rounds. Had one FTE and one FTF. Discovered my HE-Man grip on the thing was sucking all the life from the blowback and stovepiped one round. A few shots later the slide didn't fully seat so the firing pin didn't hit the primer hard enough to fire. Since those two rounds I've shot at least another 100 through without a single problem.

I love the feel of it in my hand, most pistols just don't give me that. Not a very powerful round so you have quick recovery to target and can get multiple rounds down range quickly in a very acceptable group. The range I frequent only has 25 yard pistol area so that's where most of my experience with this pistol is.

Nonsense!!

My PK380 for example.. After I'm done firing it at the range I run a boresnake through it two or three times to remove the big nasty stuff when its fresh. Later, when I feel like it, I'll strip the pistol down and clean / oil it. Takes me 3 minutes to break down and fully clean & lube the thing. Strip it apart takes 10 seconds, run a brush and patches through the barrel takes another 20 seconds, small scrub brush and solvent around the slide and lower frame, drop some oil in the lower frame, oil in the slide action. Run a freshly oiled patch through the barrel, barrel and spring back in the slide, install slide back on frame. Small bit of oil on a fresh rag and wipe the outside of the slide down then remove excess with lint free rag. Insert freshly loaded magazine and back into my holster.

Not trying to get into a pissing match but carry a PF9 around in your shorts pocket while walking around on vacation for a bit and tell me if it was a better choice than a P32/P3AT. Hell, I carry the P32 around in the pocket of my t-shirt.

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Whats with everyone here and pussy and expensive calibers. I mean 380's are for little girls. At least go with a 9mm or .40 s&w, both are much cheaper than 380. That's right, i forgot, we all drive miatas. Personally i like the .40, specifically Glock 27, 400 rounds of reloads not a single hiccup.

For some reason Walthers just fit great in my hand. That is the biggest reason I want a PK380.

It is not that I do not like a bigger caliber, it is that a bigger gun is harder to conceal on me. I am a smaller guy who wears lots of light colored T-Shirts. Hiding a 1911 or a Glock is extremely hard during the summer months.

On the flipside my Keltec fits in my front pocket and you cannot tell it is there. So simply the fact that I can carry it anywhere I go makes it a good contender.

I had no issues with only T-shirts.

I'll put my boomstick up against your wussy Glock any day. BUT, I am specifically talking about CCW in my posts. Apples and Oranges...

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I have a Walther P22 that I have put 20,000+ rounds through and I understand what you mean about fitting your hand. It is THE most comfortable gun I have ever held. If anyone copied that shape for a .45 I would scoop one up in a heartbeat just to play around with.

You do know that they have the P9 in a .40. It is very close to the P22.

I have not decided what my next Walther is. There are currently 3 out that I want.

I'm out of the gun business for a while since I just bought another car. I'll fill you guys in on the details after I pick it up (should be a couple of weeks).

I am also out of the gun business, but that more has to do with me being unemployed. I can always dream about the ones I want though.