I have slayed S2Ks on the motor. They do not like it.
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They do handle boost well, and whoever said that the high revs make for more useful power on a large tubro nailed it. Lots of Hondas do this. You loose response down low, but shoot if you can rev to 9K and you start making power at 4500, thats pretty good powerband, and you can get away with some pretty cool gearing too. A 2.2L with high compression will spool a 35R on say a .86 T3 hotside pretty well. Shoot a 2L at 8.5:1 comp can spool a 35R to 10-15 LBS by 4500 if its done even reasonably right.
I dont like those things stock (to much weight, not enough TQ) but with forced induction they do tend to make sense. Sort of like 350Z ironically enough, though they are from completely different philosophies. |
Originally Posted by hingstonwm
(Post 588448)
They have forged cranks too, another important feature of the engine that most everyone over looks is that is is an over square engine which limits torque forces that the engine experiences. This is also one of the reason they rev to the moon. Most of you guys have seen my build, If you have not, here is the link. https://www.miataturbo.net/build-threads-57/f20c-engine-conversion-42810/. It is an F20C (s2000) powered Miata. I am in the process of putting a turbo charger on it. It is a very exspensive build, to do right. Once it is done I will share all my tuning info and dyno numbers. But 450 ish HP on an elt manifold with a genuine Garrett gt 35 turbo 14 -15 lbs of boost is easily obtainable. The rumor is that this boost level will allow a 100k of durability as well.
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Where's Pusha. He raced a Miata with an S2K motor swap. Got beat by a few I think.
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https://www.miataturbo.net/picture.p...pictureid=1170
My current spark map, afrs are round 11.8-12.0 in boost. What do you guys thinK? |
Originally Posted by turotufas
(Post 588525)
Where's Pusha. He raced a Miata with an S2K motor swap. Got beat by a few I think.
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Originally Posted by Pusha
(Post 588642)
My car trapped ~1 mph higher, yet the F20-powered Miata weighed slightly more and wasn't running quite right yet.
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Speaking of honda slaying, 00si with a turbo. I saw him shedding tears when i went by.
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I skipped hondas and went straight to ls1s with my car....
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Lets not knock these cars too hard. You can pick them up under 10k all day long now and they are stupid fast stock on a roadrace course. As soon as they start dropping to the 5k range you will see a lot of miata owners jumping ship.
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where are you seeing them for under 10k all day long? maybe an 00-02 with super hight miles, but anything 03+ and with decent (under 80k) is still well above 10. The ap2's are still in the 15's
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Originally Posted by jacob300zx
(Post 589829)
Lets not knock these cars too hard. You can pick them up under 10k all day long now and they are stupid fast stock on a roadrace course. As soon as they start dropping to the 5k range you will see a lot of miata owners jumping ship.
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Originally Posted by 18psi
(Post 589831)
where are you seeing them for under 10k all day long? maybe an 00-02 with super hight miles, but anything 03+ and with decent (under 80k) is still well above 10. The ap2's are still in the 15's
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