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Old 10-09-2008, 12:34 AM   #1
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what is with these people that make them think that 240s are made of freakin gold? My buddy is trying to get one, so we have been looking for awhile. This one kid has a 240 with a KA that he turboed himself. Has like 140k miles on it, it s OK job, and he is asking 6k. Seriously! we have 4500 in cash to give, and the guy just keeps messing with us, saying that hell maybe take 5k or some ****. Not to mention the front bumper is cracking, roof has a bunch of dents in it from a dis lodged hood, and the interior is dirty as hell. Then there is this dude with a 1990 240 with a STOCK sr20 that wont budge from 8500 dollars! WHAT THE ****. THEN there is a dude with a 95, 140k miles, and a sr20. He wont budge from 6500!

Why do 240sx owners think their car is so damn valuable!? When you get a 240 do you have the past owner shove a ***** up your *** or something? All of them have been asses to me, when all I do is try to give them a fair offer.

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Oh I forgot. One guy with a 96 with a sr20. We went to see it, and it wouldent even start the first day. He wiggled some ****, and it ran. The ECU was all over the floor, no radio or wireing, fairly stock sr20, and the battery was in the trunk falling over. He wouldent take under 6!!!
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Old 10-09-2008, 12:41 AM   #2
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I know what you mean. I have this friend Mike Rivelli....
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FWIW, I have friends with 240s. KA powered 240s are damn good cars IMO. Worth more than a miata of same year easy. Also have a friend that did a 12 valve to SR20 swap. I'm'a tell you that ain't a cheap swap. He paid 2K for just the engine with "all the stuff that comes with it". Hehe. Got a choped wiring harness, no A/C or P/S **** whatsoever, and it was missing a few odds and ends like a FPR and charge pipes, etc. I know he had to have spent 4K by the time he got it running on the new engine. Now that doesn't mean it's worth 4K more, but it ain't a cheap swap by any means.

If the 140K SR20 swapped car for 6500 is truly a well done swap and a good car, I'd pay that price. Might be too high for your friend, but IMO it's worth the price for what you get.
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hehe... Ya I've had a few in my day. I sold them for more money than they where worth as well. Subtract a 25% dr1f7er tax for any 240 for sale and you will see the real price it's worth. Miata doesn't have any fan boy taxes added to the sale price. Also find an 86-87 RWD corolla for sale and the dr1f7er tax is damn near 50% over what it's worth.
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Old 10-09-2008, 01:09 AM   #6
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For example, here is the guy that is messsing with us about $5k. 14x,xxx on the car, it doesent idle right becaus eof a shitty tune and BOV (safc POS), needa a new clutch ASAP, and well you can see the rest. Its a KA-T

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AE86 markup is just retarded. I see clapped out corollas going for insane money.

Like Mike said, 240s just have the drift tax. Try finding an unmolested 240, I bet its nearly impossible.
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It's the "me too" car. I've been in 240's for about 7 years and AE86 Corollas for about 5. I have had 3 240s and 2 Corollas. Once drift took over, it went nuts. I'm an Admin on az240sx.org which is the center of all things drift in Arizona. I've stuck with 240s because I like the simpleness of their maintenance. I've always focused on autocross and only did my first drift event 2 weeks ago. Funny how my Miata go so much attention in a sea of 240/rx7/350z/AE86.

Years ago, the corolla's were just **** boxes. I liked them because they were light weight and rwd. I raced one for a year and it taught me to carry more speed through corners because I couldnt just power away like a turbo miata could. I paid 400 dollars for my first red panda. Suddenly, Initial D landed here during the drift craze infancy and the "Hachi" got stupid expensive and in a super hurry. A cherry GTS with low miles and no rust is now a 5,000 dollar car easy. A shitty example is 2K if it runs and has half of it's interior. We say these have the initial d tax.

As I said earlier, the 240 is the new me too car. It's a logical progression from Civic to 240 so the kids can graduate from FNF to drift. It's cooler now. I'm hoping the hyundai gets popular so they stop crashing these cars with their street drift. The SR swap is a very logical swap. My girlfriends 240 has an SR at stock boost and it makes the car lively and fun. Makes sense, they come in 240s in Japan and are plentiful. E85 tuning is making a big hit. There are 2 cars I know of for sure doing exclusive E85 to see if there is any long term effects.

If you want a 240, buy one not modified and preferably automatic. The manual swap is simple and straight forward. An SR swap done well with a decent FMIC and nice wire job will run you about 4-5K in it self for a redtop. KA-T are amazingly torquey. A decent set of pistons/rods, add a T25 with good fuel/ignition and it will run all over an SR.


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Old 10-09-2008, 02:03 AM   #9
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When I waas trying to get rid of my 240 I couldn't get rid of it for anything. It was a bone stock 5-spd 92, perfect body, no rust, power nothing except steering, nice clean system, interior was immaculate, stock ka24 dual cam with 102,XXX miles. I tired to sell that thing for months before I finally let it go for $1200, I was pissed.
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Old 10-09-2008, 02:17 AM   #10
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I'm talking to a guy about a $5k 1990 Miata with 105k miles on it. Granted its supercharged and comes with a bag of goodies, but hey. I don't have to do the work to get it where it is (I could if I wanted to), and I know that if I went to build it myself, I'd spend more than 5k on mods alone.

On the flip side. I'VE NEVER LIKED 240's... EVER. They're like 4 cyl. mustangs. The guys that own them only do two things with them. Race them in a straight line (which is very Mustang-owner of them), or they spend time smashing curbs, guard rails and, on some occasions, other cars (or what they like to call dorifting).

Tell your buddy to get a Z car or an RX7. Yes... I said the rotary word... I would take a kick in the nuts and a Daewoo Lanos before buying a modded 240.
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the problem I see with them or any "me too" car is that you have a much larger crowd of people modding them and hence many more people modding them who don't know ****. With a miata and other less widely popular sports cars you tend to find a larger percentage of work done well because the owners are true enthusiasts and not fan boys (cr.net excluded of course). That's why I will never buy a 240/ae86.
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It's so depressing that rotted out, 200k+ mile basket case AE86s go for $1500 and up around here.

I need a damn time machine.
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AE86 markup is just retarded. I see clapped out corollas going for insane money.

Like Mike said, 240s just have the drift tax. Try finding an unmolested 240, I bet its nearly impossible.
I have one.. Its an se.
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i cant wait to get a 240!
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I have one.. Its an se.
Thats worth $15k easy.

Haha I kid. But it is getting so hard to find clean unmolested imports for reasonable money. When I was looking for my current daily (94 Integra), I couldn't find ONE unmodified car for sale until mine popped up on craigslist. I ran down to Chicago that day and convinced the guy to hold it for me until the end of the weekend because he had 3 or 4 other people in line after me to see the car and I knew it would sell. Just for the hell of it, I kept looking on craigslist after I picked mine up for a few weeks, and I never saw another stock teg for sale.

Are imports going to be the "muscle cars" of our adulthood?
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It's so depressing that rotted out, 200k+ mile basket case AE86s go for $1500 and up around here.
I need a damn time machine.
For $1500 you can have a rotted out one
Lots of 240s around here... if you like your shifting done for you (score pat!).
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Are imports going to be the "muscle cars" of our adulthood?
Talk to any middle aged guy with an import (meaning Japanese or European compact or pony car) and they'll tell you that imports would never be like muscle cars. Not unless the Japanese discover engine displacement. But somehow I think that a 400 cubic inch powered Supra or Mazda is in any of our futures. Not from the OEM market anyhow.

The thing about muscle cars is their classic status. I'm sure that a lot of imports would never appeal the way a 76 Trans Am would- or a 70 SS Chevelle. Well... You get my point. I classify imports and even newer muscle cars (i.e. LS Camaros, Terminator Cobra's, C5+ Vettes, Vipers) as sports cars. Rods died in the 50's, muscle cars died in the early 80's and sports cars have held the spotlight since.
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i've wanted one long before the drift scene. i searched forever to find the exact one i wanted, found it last year and drove to VA to get it, the guy was 50-55 and it was given to him by family from florida. white base coupe no rust, manual trans, no sunroof. it's under the knife right now going KA-T
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a couple of buddies and I went to a "dorifto meet event" locally last sunday (bored out of our skulls) and the hideousness of some of the cars there made me want to gouge my eyes out. the 240 is the new civic, and whats worse is that kids these days have EVEN LESS taste. 6 foot body kits, zip ties holding EVERYTHING together, retarded rims, etc.....

what made me REALLY laugh is that the ONLY cars with real name brand turbo's/turbo kits were the sponsored ones
everyone that did their car on their own, got a fleabay special "t3/t4 mad tyte jdm type r racing sports" turbo kit that is on its way out after a couple months
so sad
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944 gotta disagree with you about the muscle cars.

Barret Jackson pulls so much money and draw because of the nostalgia. Granted, the cars were in much lower production numbers, but you bet 40 years from now people will be looking for Mint Nissan S12's and paying a lot of money for one, possibly even for one with a CA18DET as it would have come in japan. Saying imports or current cars won't be part of our growing old and appreciating the older times is like saying we won't have our own "oldies" or "classic rock" station and all us "old fogies" (when we get there) are supposed to listen to is what our grandparents currently do.

In fact I bet part of our generations old car nostalgia and desires will be based off owning something good old internal combustion with some damn kick in the pants petrol.
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