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Low-fat crap and grains not allowed.

Here's mine:

Morning smoothies with:
- DIY Kefir made from raw unhomogenized milk
- DIY coconut milk made from shredded coconut
- Avocado
- frozen berry mix from Costco
- pastured duck or chicken eggs

Then
- Kerrygold butter and coconut oil in my morning coffee
- Norwegian Cod Liver Oil
- Pastured eggs, in omelets if not smoothie
- pico de gallo (salsa) from the store, in omelets
- juiced frozen prechopped organic veggies from Costco
- the above sauteed in Kerrygold butter
- wildcaught Alasakan sockeye salmon
- grass fed beef
- pastured chicken
- pastured liver every once in a while
- cook with sea salt
- add Concentrace (trace mineral drops) to reverse-osmosis water which I carbonate
- Tabouleh from a lunch deli
- I wanna start making bone broth

No grains? Seriously?

Cook EVERYTHING with virgin coconut oil. Natural non gmo veggies. Grass fed beef, buffalo steaks, etc.

I always eat healthy at home, some of my favorite restaurants though.. not sure.

High temp cooking in coconut oil is good when the coconut taste goes with it.
Otherwise I use ghee (clarified butter) from Pure Indian Foods | Buy Organic Ghee and Indian Food Supplies Online.
I hear duck fat is the best tasting, followed by beef tallow.
http://chriskresser.com/5-fats-you-s...but-may-not-be

Hustler: Grains aren't a health food.

Down with carbs. When needed, stay away from processed sugars, and non-whole grain breads and pastas. Otherwise and FDA source telling you to eat 60% or whatever carbs in your diet is total and utter bull shit.

Whole grain bread pasta not health food either.

I had to ditch the high fat, low carb diet after about a week. I could already see and feel a difference, but my body rebelled, or more precisely, my skin. I broke out like I was back in freshman class high school. I've always had shitty skin, but I've been able to keep it in check. All of that fat and oil really fucked me up though. Almost 2 weeks later and I'm still struggling to calm my skin down. Being almost 30 and having to fight shitty teenage skin sucks balls. Thanks hormones/genetics!

I really don't understand where the underlying science for the "bread is bad" religion sprang up from all of a sudden. Humans have been cultivating wheat and other grains since before the beginning of recorded history, and yet we've only just now realized (presumably by divine revelation) that carbohydrates are part of an evil conspiracy by Xenu the galactic overlord to cause some vague and imprecisely defined unhealthy thing to happen to us?

lol @ telling a guy who pedals 250 miles per week on a bicycle to "not eat carbs" and that "carbs are bad, mmmm-kay."

+1 on ghee awesomeness
+1 on duck fat awesomeo
+1 on yellow beef fats

It can take more than a week for your body to adjust to the new energy sources (and to clean out toxins and adjust regulatory processes). Most people find improved skin to be a benefit of cutting out inflammatory grains and sugars, since most skin conditions are inflammatory in nature.

This is a weird post that I've seen you make before. I understand that you get off from being the skeptical contrarian, but just go read some of the research. It's easily available. There's tons of new research over the last 20-30 years demonstrating the role of inflammation in the vast majority of diseases (especially autoimmune disorders) as well as the inflammatory nature of most grains and sugars.

Eh. There are Olympic athletes eating a Paleo-style diet.

Anyway, carb levels depend on activity levels (and body composition goals). High activity means you add more carbs back into your diet. Just don't add toxic carbs like grains and simple sugars.

Eat sweet potatoes, rice, regular potatoes (but not fried), etc.

In the amounts suggested in most schools and nutrition classes, yes, carbs are bad. I'll back pedal a little bit and clarify that we shouldn't eliminate carbs for obvious nutritional necessities. But The Dietary Guidelines for Americans 2010 suggests 60% carbs in our diet (and 20/20 protein/fat).

The big fact that really opened my mind was that proportionally speaking that is the same as a sumo wrestler. I'd love to find a link for proof, unfortunately I can't right now. A quick google search resulted in lots of body building forums suggesting a similar ratio to bulk up.

Obviously Hustler's 250 mile/week routine requires more energy, and carbs=sugars=energy. I don't believe he's the typical American though. We've suspected that for quite some time though.

Eggs erry day.

Gran and sugar is toxic? Really? Are we on this "gluten is poison" thing now? Celiac disease is an aberration from normal intestine functioning, not everyone reacts to gluten the same way. This is coming from my gastroenterologist of course, not just idiot me. It makes sense to a degree that reducing grain portions makes sense for most people, but most people are disgustingly fat and eat hamburgers daily, without veg.

Is there a study out there with a reasonable sample-set of healthy people which suggests grain is toxic, and to a degree of toxicity that outweighs the benefits of the complex carbohydrates?

Carbs being burned means fat not being burned. No carbs to burn means the body uses fat and protein to get energy. Of course it takes some time for your body to switch over, and some people report feeling a bit shitty initially since the body is used to having plenty of carbs to burn. Although this doesn't mean 0 carbs, it means low carb. I will find some studies, but a high fat and protein diet is for the most part, very healthy. Although most of the studies have been based around Epilepsy.

For the record I'm not actually on this diet. I love carbs too much. Also for anyone on a crazy work out plan, you probably won't get enough energy from a low carb diet. I know nothing about carbs being "toxic" but there are some dental benefits to low carb diets.

Lol.

Carbs are bad.

Right.

My new healthy snack is half a litre of whole milk with a level tablespoon of honey, cocoa, 1/4 cup oats and a huge spoon of peanut butter blended.

Dann

My ideal meal plan that I sometimes skip on because I'm busy or run out of time:

1st meal: 5-6 eggs, protein shake, maybe a greek yogurt
2nd meal: a ham sandwich, whole grain bread, nuts or other snack.
3rd meal: chicken breast and golden rice (if im at work I have no choice but to get fast food. no such thing as good fast food but I try to get something relatively full of protein)
4th meal: protein shake and anything I can find at this point
5th meal(post workout): small snack, greek yogurt

I have a feeling I'm trying to do the opposite of what you guys are doing.

also carbs = energy, if i hit the gym with minimal carbs i burn out really quickly.
so yes i eat a lot of carbs

How about just eat sensibly, and responsibly, carbs in moderation? I think common sense is the best of all diets. I don't think any food is so bad that you can't at least have a little in you daily diet. Of course you always want to limit certain things like excessive salt and sugar.

I'm also confused at this point. It's really hard to sort out what is actually good or bad these days since the Internet will tell you just about anything you want. Confirmation bias gone crazy.

If you do any sort of intensive cardio work you need carbs to fuel you. Then you start getting into the people talking about good carbs and bad carbs and it gets confusing again.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1380903099


Michael is eating kale chips. don't be fooled.

also: corn is a grass.

No one said that high fat and protein diets were unhealthy. Two of us don't believe that grains are unhealthy. I know I come off as a crass fuck, but I'm genuinely interested in this information from a credible source.

There is a chocolate-pecan macaroon in my future.

Oh, and beer as well. Now that I think about it, claiming that grains, a product of beer, are toxic is blasphemy and I proclaim jihad on anyone who discounts the nutritional efficacy of frosted barley pop.

The problem I have with the inflammation thing is that there are definitely foods that cause inflammation and inflammation is related to heart disease, but at the same time I'm not seeing a firm body of scientific evidence implicating whole grains are the culprit.

You've got articles like this that show whole grains being good for you, but refined grains being bad.

Whole and Refined Grain Intakes Are Related to Inflammatory Protein Concentrations in Human Plasma

Or this where whole grains are shown to have no real negative effects.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17391554

There was a pretty interesting article on sugar in the NY Times magazine a few years ago that indicated there are a large body of scientists that think sugar is the culprit in a wide variety of ailments.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/17/ma...anted=all&_r=0

DON'T DO IT!!! Put down the macaroon, we value your life here.

Grain is murder.

Non-starchy veggies are carbs too.
It's starch that's bad, not carbs.
To be more specific, high glycemic carbs (e.g. starch and sugar), are bad - i.e, how much they spike your blood sugar.

The blood sugar spikey effect of high glycemic carbs depends on other factors, - amount of starch, and amount of fat consumed in the same meal.

Individuals also vary in how many decades they can eat a high-starch diet before developing metabolic syndrome (one symptom of which, is visceral belly fat). Beer belly, anyone? "Soda belly" is the same thing.

Individuals also vary in how long they can eat a lot of gluten before suffering intestinal damage from it. Some people are very sensitive, and perhaps some can take modest amounts forever.

Inflammation does not equal edema, which I believe is the "heart" issue caused by "inflammation" you're referring to. It's a total body issue obviously, involving the kidneys, heart, lungs, etc, but yes, heart is the common failure leading to an over abundance of water in the body.

I participate as much as possible in a low carb diet, staying mostly away from candy, sugar, and pasta. That's about all I've changed. Lost 20 lbs that way with little exercise, which I desperately need to change.

And if I lived where I do and took beer out of my diet I would most likely be hung. There's a 24 pack from Costco in the fridge that's half gone after I bought it a week and a half ago.

my diet consists mainly of grains and sugar. I'm still breathing.

I like professional cycling related nutrition stuff.
How to Eat Like a Tour de France Pro | Cyclists International
"Here, eat this porridge and eggs, here eat this snack, ride this sex-pantehr $10k bike and floss, drink a tiny cola and eat more fatty awesomeness, urinate off the bike at speed, win, eat all this fruit, get a rub down, shave your legs with other men, spacedock."

Sugar and starch are not = energy. You can surely turn fat into energy.
The liver can convert fat into glucose. The brain functions well on ketones (but getting used to it can be hellish).

However AFAIK only carbs (such as veggies) can be converted into glycogen, which is depleted during heavy exercise. Your glycogen reserves are finite. You only need your calories in the form of carbs (e.g. veggies) to fill your glycogen reserves. And the best time to have a lot of carbs is after a workout. If you eat too much high-glycemic carbs (even after a workout), e.g. bread, your blood sugar will still spike very high and the blood sugar will still go into your fat cells. But yes, after exercise, you can tolerate more high-glycemic carbs. Not before. At least that's what I found testing blood sugar on myself.

I bet you're hung.


I can't believe all this bullshit even remotely suggesting we eliminate beer from our diets.

Keep at it for 20 more years and let's see how bad your metabolic syndrome is.

P.S. next time you go for a blood test, let's see what your A1c and fasting insulin are. They are excellent proxies for measuring metabolic syndrome.

If you don't want to eliminate (moderate) beer consumption then don't. But eliminate your other grains instead, and eat fat before drinking beer, and you will be healthier in the long run.

Grains contain "anti-nutrients". Ironically white rice may be better than brown rice in this regard, as long as not enough is consumed to cause a large blood sugar spike:

Why Grains Are Unhealthy | Mark's Daily Apple

Some info on whole grains.

Whole-Grain Foods Do Not Affect Insulin Sensitivity or Markers of Lipid Peroxidation and Inflammation in Healthy, Moderately Overweight Subjects

http://care.diabetesjournals.org/con.../1522.full.pdf

Information on lectin (the anti-nutrient in many grains, including wheat):

Insulin-Like Activity of Concanavalin A and Wheat Germ Agglutinin

Do dietary lectins cause disease?

BMC Endocrine Disorders | Full text | Agrarian diet and diseases of affluence - Do evolutionary novel dietary lectins cause leptin resistance?


Research on gluten is advancing by leaps and bounds right now. Not only is the commonly thrown-around "1%" number probably quite a bit lower than the reality, because of how celiac disease is tested for in the US (hint: in western European nations with different testing protocols, celiac disease shows up in much higher percentages), but that's only referring to full-blown celiacs -- not to gluten sensitivity, which is a gamut of symptoms related to the inflammatory effects of wheat gluten. Estimates are hard to come by right now, but many researchers are saying that it's not unlikely that at least 25-33% of the population has some degree of mild to moderate gluten sensitivity.

Why are you not recommending carbs before, during, and after exercise? If I didn't eat fruit and grain before and during a bike ride I would fall over dead, known as "bonking".

Also, why do all these pro cyclist nutrionist allow or even promote a daily beer after a ride? I look at the diets of these apex athletes, with obscenely high fitness levels, and they're all eating grain and drinking beer.

I make "bacon cakes" for bike rides which consist of jasmine rice, chopped-up maple bacon, all bound together with a raw egg. I cut them into 1" cubes and eat 3 of them on 4+ hour rides. It's the only kind of acceptable bacon candy.

Surge for breakfast.

Too many meals.
Too few veggies.
Too much starch and grains.

You are also a sugar not a fat burner. If you train your body to be a fat burner you won't feel the need to eat more than 3x a day despite workouts. It takes 4-6 hours after a meal for your insulin to come back down to baseline. If you eat before then your body will preferentially keep and not burn its bodyfat reserves.

What are the symptoms and health risks associated with mild or moderate gluten sensitivity?

I don't know much about endurance athletes' requirements, but I will guess that you want to top up the glycogen tank before and after a big workout. With the caveat that you don't cause a large blood sugar spike by having too much high-glycemic carbs.

For me it was migraines after combining gluten and alcohol. e.g. wheat beer, or a thick crust pizza and any alcohol. Lately I get a migraine after just eating a lot of bread, like an order of yummy cheesy garlic bread. I can only tolerate one bun with my burger. Now I look at wheat like alcohol, I like it but I have to consume under a certain amount, and not too often. These days I just drink wine and spirits instead of beer.

For others they only notice the *lack* of symptoms they never paid attention to after going cold turkey for a month. Bloating, brain fog, are some common symptoms.

It runs the gamut -- anything from migraines to digestive problems. Like an allergy or sensitivity, it's not just the direct effects, it's the cascade effect on other systems in the body.

Not Xenu, the Federal Reserve!

Donuts and Mountain Dew - new diet for life.

like no joke. if i could get away with that, omfg.

Have you gone to a doctor and been tested for gluten sensitivity/intolerance?

From an evolutionary standpoint that is too recent to fully adapt to a high starch diet.

And you would be a millionaire when you wrote your book about how to get away with it.

I love how I'm being called a contrarian for supporting a majority viewpoint based upon hundreds of years of medical and nutritional science and thousands of years of recorded history.

so what's this about a significant overlap in people with Crohns and Celiac??

I had the standard doctor's test which turned out negative, but it turns out they yield a lot of false negatives. There are a lot better tests now:

Food Allergy Test | Food Intolerance Test | Food & Chemical Sensitivity Test
www.enterolabs.com
Cyrex Laboratories > Home

Well for one thing they are both autoimmune diseases.
There is a new theory forming that most if not all autoimmune diseases start with "leaky gut syndrome".

This thread is a huge downer, lol. I'm going to drink beer later.

Have some pretzels with it.

Did you take any of those other tests? Just curious.

Enjoying this stale, leftover bagel from the morning show, thinking about the oatmeal stout I have waiting for me at home...

I dont have crohns, i was already tested for it.

Y you no poop right?

I hate everyone talking about grains..I miss them :cry: I used to eat pasta all day every day until my body started punishing me for it (Ill spare everyone the details) but I tried the SCD diet for 4 weeks very strictly, felt WAY BETTER and now I loosely follow it, but can still get away with cheating and eating grain based carbs occasionally (rice in my sushi) but a full bowl of pasta still wrecks me. So I may be biased due to a potential gluten sensitivity but I definitely feel better when I stick to SCD/Paleo type plans. Getting old sucks...I did drop about 8 lbs since I started eating cleaner and pretty much maintain that weight now.

cause i drink mountain dew and eat donuts...