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Old 01-22-2009, 03:20 AM   #41
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I don't think it even needs to be debated, it really doesn't matter. Regardless of whether we are or aren't causing the problem, we're still gonna continue doing the same **** because society would collapse if we stopped using oil right now. Either way we're gonna curb ourselves towards hydrogen and all that green ****, and if we're causing the problem, hopefully we'll clean up our act before the earth falls into the sun.

Edit: in the meantime though, I'm not putting a cat on my car and you can't make me.
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humans may not create all that carbon dioxide, but we also eliminate the ability for the earth to reprocess CO2 by cutting down topical rain forests to grow coffee so we dont get headaches in the morning.



to assume that there is one single component of this effect is missing the big picture.

we add to the problem and we remove part of the natural solution. double whammy.

my gf is finishing up her masters in environmental science and it's amazing what kind of interrelationships there are in the environment.

did you know that something as simple as tilling soil prior to planting crops actually releases carbon dioxide into the atmosphere? it's about .5 tons of carbon dioxide per acre per year. roughly the same as a month of normal driving.

untilled soil does not release co2 and in fact as the plants growing in it die and decompose, increases its carbon dioxide content. about 6 acres of untilled corn field sucks up about a year's worth of the average car's carbon emissions.

so while you're curbing your use of fossil fuels, keep in mind that organic farming practices are an equally important part of being environmentally responsible.
I agree 100% with everything you have stated here. In essence you have stated what I have said about the Earth producing it's own CO2. Does man contribute? Sure.
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where does the oxygen come from, and what has man done to hinder its production? BBQ-ing dinosaur doesn't help either.
Oceans and plant life primarily make up our oxygen content through photosynthesis. I cant believe that I still remember that from 7th grade. Brazil alone is hurting the oxygen reproduction, but they have never cared.

Now, on a more sinister but compassionate tone, and I am not disrespecting the dead, I am just stating a thought. Think about how bad off we would be, population wise, if it were not for disasters like the plagues in the middle ages, all the wars, including WWI and WWII or natural disasters. Our population could possibly be doubled. Talk about dire straights when speaking of our natural resources.
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Oceans and plant life primarily make up our oxygen content through photosynthesis. I cant believe that I still remember that from 7th grade. Brazil alone is hurting the oxygen reproduction, but they have never cared.

Now, on a more sinister but compassionate tone, and I am not disrespecting the dead, I am just stating a thought. Think about how bad off we would be, population wise, if it were not for disasters like the plagues in the middle ages, all the wars, including WWI and WWII or natural disasters. Our population could possibly be doubled. Talk about dire straights when speaking of our natural resources.
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Yeah, lets kill off 3/4's of the population and then we wont have anything to worry about, evah.
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Yeah, lets kill off 3/4's of the population and then we wont have anything to worry about, evah.
Ya know, there are plenty of people in this world that we just don't need.
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Then theres people like me, who still don't buy the Liberal media's (Al Gore) bullshit about Global warming.

I cut the Cats off all my vehicles
Make sure to buy the oldest and shittiest 2 stroke lawnboy lawnmower I can find, then use it 3 times a week
Use a 2 stroke weed eater to trim and edge
2 stroke lawn vacuum
I perform 100 - 300 google searches in any one hour of the day
Replaced every mercury filled fluorescent lamp in my house with a 100 watt halogen which burn 24/7/365
I never turn off an of my PCs, televisions, radios, Home Theater, monitors, I leave the windows open in winter to heat the outside, I Crank up my A/C to 60 degrees in the summer, leave my cars idling for long periods of time unnecessarily, make extra sure to fuel every vehicle I have on "Ozone alert" days, don't fully insert the fume collector (if applicable) against the filler tube in my car, all while talking on a cellular telephone thats made of plastic, wearing plastic based shoes, clothing, sunglasses, and driving a gas guzzling car all while running the freaking everloving **** out of it. **** you, Earth!
I have already accepted that you are a human write-off.

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I agree 100% with everything you have stated here. In essence you have stated what I have said about the Earth producing it's own CO2. Does man contribute? Sure.
you saw the part about the earth absorbing CO2 until we till the soil, right? that's billions of acres of farmland we're talking about. not just a few.
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Yeah, lets kill off 3/4's of the population and then we wont have anything to worry about, evah.
We should go ahead and start setting up how we're going to select people to kill. Anyone with an IQ below 100, people on welfare or food stamps, anyone over 70, fat people, short people, ugly people, etc... We can breed a super race! Wait... Didn't someone try that already?
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We should go ahead and start setting up how we're going to select people to kill. Anyone with an IQ below 100, people on welfare or food stamps, anyone over 70, fat people, short people, ugly people, etc... We can breed a super race! Wait... Didn't someone try that already?
You can start with people serving life sentences and on death row.
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We should go ahead and start setting up how we're going to select people to kill. Anyone with an IQ below 100, people on welfare or food stamps, anyone over 70, fat people, short people, ugly people, etc... We can breed a super race! Wait... Didn't someone try that already?
I got bad news. the IQ number is based on average intelligence being set at 100. If you kill everyone under 100, the value 100 will be assigned to the new "smarter" group and average intelligence will go up but still be an IQ of 100. So you'll have to kill half of them. then the average brain is smarter and you have to kill half of the NEXT group. Until you're left with one person who is, by definition, "average" and therefore has an IQ of 100. of course this person will be a smart ************, but s/he will be very lonely.

unless of course the super smart few are super smart enough to all try to score the same on the test.
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I got bad news. the IQ number is based on average intelligence being set at 100. If you kill everyone under 100, the value 100 will be assigned to the new "smarter" group and average intelligence will go up but still be an IQ of 100. So you'll have to kill half of them. then the average brain is smarter and you have to kill half of the NEXT group. Until you're left with one person who is, by definition, "average" and therefore has an IQ of 100. of course this person will be a smart ************, but s/he will be very lonely.

unless of course the super smart few are super smart enough to all try to score the same on the test.
Well... I was thinking we'd just do 1 test and mass killing. Hopefully there would be no need for additional rounds of testing.
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did you know that something as simple as tilling soil prior to planting crops actually releases carbon dioxide into the atmosphere? it's about .5 tons of carbon dioxide per acre per year. roughly the same as a month of normal driving.

untilled soil does not release co2 and in fact as the plants growing in it die and decompose, increases its carbon dioxide content. about 6 acres of untilled corn field sucks up about a year's worth of the average car's carbon emissions.

Just out of curiosity, is this release of CO2 simply from the literal turning over of the soil to release CO2 entrapped as plant or animal matter decays, or does it include the release from the tractor that is doing the tilling? Not trying to challenge you, just curious, as I've never before heard the statistic.
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I spoke and later participated in a "climate change round-table" at UWashington and learned enough to realize that I don't know enough about this to comment...but its entertaining to see the armchair quarterbacking in here. You're no Stephen Hawking.
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you saw the part about the earth absorbing CO2 until we till the soil, right? that's billions of acres of farmland we're talking about. not just a few.
Yeah, soooo, what do you recommend? Hydroponics and ditch the soil or just let everyone starve? That would be an easy way to kill off 3/4's of the population right there.
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[URL=http://smiliesftw.com] You're no Stephen Hawking.
Amen to that. Smart dude, shafted by disease.

Almost everything is armchair QB action, but who cares, makes for good conversation. Speaking of which, I could take Big Ben's spot in the Super Bowl. I am that good just take my word for it.

Anyway, I am doing my part to help conserve natural resources, but not in the name of global warming or climate change. Just being a responsible person and doing what is right is good enough for me. I don't need a political platform to proclaim that my wife and I ditched our SUV that got 10mpg in the city for a Mini Cooper that gets almost 3x that. Or, that we set our T stat in our house at 70 in the winter, and 78 in the summer to conserve energy which will help with the amount of coal that is burned to produce said electricity. We use low wattage bulbs in the house, and so on.
Honestly, if I could find a way to get complete power from the sun inexpensively, I would. Then I would give Tampa Electric the middle finger. They just jacked up our electric rates. Minimum increase will be 12.50 per bill under 1000kwh. Sucks cause my electric bill is already 219.00 per month.

I don't have a cat on my Miata though.
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Just out of curiosity, is this release of CO2 simply from the literal turning over of the soil to release CO2 entrapped as plant or animal matter decays, or does it include the release from the tractor that is doing the tilling? Not trying to challenge you, just curious, as I've never before heard the statistic.
just the microbes in the soil. I give you article! note that this has been going on for a long long time. before tractors. and still isn't count ox farts.

Iowa Farmers Look to Trap Carbon in Soil : NPR

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Yeah, soooo, what do you recommend? Hydroponics and ditch the soil or just let everyone starve? That would be an easy way to kill off 3/4's of the population right there.
read the article above. there are ways to grow crops that dont require tilling.


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dont EVEN get me started on corn-fed beef.
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I have already accepted that you are a human write-off.
Coming from someone like YOU, nothing could be a bigger compliment. Whats more surprising is you even bothered to read, muchless attempt to make a witty insult from it.


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you saw the part about the earth absorbing CO2 until we till the soil, right? that's billions of acres of farmland we're talking about. not just a few.
So whats your excuse for the liberal scientists pumping CO2 discharged from power plants into dried oil wells? It squeezes the remaining oil that won't free flow, then capping it off when finished to 'contain' the Carbon Dioxide? HMMM?????

I still say its pretty naive of anyone to think their ever loving, ever powerful God placed mankind on this planet with the ability to destroy it doing NOTHING more than doing what we do... Make our life better.
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I still say its pretty naive of anyone to think their ever loving, ever powerful God placed mankind on this planet with the ability to destroy it doing NOTHING more than doing what we do... Make our life better.
Yup, you can pretty much explain away anything with god...no point in discussing this further. The greatest invention of man to avoid responsibility.
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Screw the rain forest.

Most of the earth's oxygen production comes from the Taiga forest biome that runs along the top of the world, covering most of inland Alaska, Canada, Sweden, Finland, inland Norway and Russia (especially Siberia), as well as parts of the extreme northern continental United States (Northern Minnesota, Michigan, Upstate New York, New Hampshire, and Maine), northern Kazakhstan and Japan.

So the biggest threat to the Earth's ability to self-sustain the atmosphere doesn't come from Brazil, it comes from Russia and Canada.

Particularly Canada, since as far as I can tell from TV, some 90% or more of Canadians are employed in the logging industry. The other 10% work in the huge maple syrup conglomerates that effectively run the country.
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Particularly Canada, ...
****. That means that Canada does make a worthwhile contribution to the world, oxygen. That just tosses my whole universe into chaos.

Oh well. **** Canada anyway.





Edit: y8s, thanks for the article.
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