Stephanie @ Begi vs Tom @ FFS
 

The Schwartz is strong with this one, bring the popcorn ... there is potential developing here :laugh:

http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread...=371777&page=2

I saw that earlier, I'm quivering with anticipation.

One side of this argument will never run out of hot air to blow.

I want to meet Tom so I can tell him hes a piece of shit

It's a shocking revelation that doubling the boost adds 30hp. I would not have suspected that at all!

Corky dropped some math on Tom late last night...curious to see if Tom responds today.

Math... Attachment 198458

Just read Corky's post; im awaiting on the bs response involving the magic of the 5th injector.

E-Cool hugh. I did not know that TBI 305s were such amazing performance monsters.

This technology was also brought to market on other icons of automotive innovation such as the Chevrolet Blazer...which leaves you completely stranded when the single injector fails.

GM has had some really great ideas and some bad ones. TBI too me is sort of the result of carb people going to EFI.

"We really dont want to do 6 or 8 of these damned things, they are epensive. Plus we dont have an intake setup for them yet. But we can bolt this POS here onto damn near any 4150 style intake!"

My '85 4runner has a 5th injector.

Lots of the TRD supercharged Tacomas/4 Runners do too. TRD sells a complete kit.

Tom bragging about making 170whp at 10psi makes me lol so hard. I really want to comment on how the 1.6 Rotrex prototype is making like ~155-160whp at 5-6psi.

my 1.6L is making 165rwhp (dyno dynamics) at 9psi, on a $175 turboz.

Yeah, but with all that turbo lag, you're missing out on the low-end torque and instant throttle response superchargers provide.

oh well.

Is anyone else interested in seeing a few more setups with a coldside 45 or 62 and a 3071? Puley the blower for about 8 psi and watch the 3071 act like a 2560. I wonder if the blower would become a restriction? On one hand I doubt it considering that with a PD blower it will just get better filling on the inlet side, but I am not sure.

Funny stuff on blowers lately. I saw a traditional centrifugal setup for a bit more $ than a Rotrex kit off Kraftwerks. They claimed 205 crank HP while making 165WHP, and they ran 10 psi to get it as well IIRC. If these cars have an 18% driveline loss I will be VERY surprised. My guess is more like 12% with a Torsen.

HOLY SHIT 3 and a half grand for 170whp??!!! FUCKKKKKK where do I sign up for this phenomenal piece of technology

Mmmmmmmm. Eaton + GT3076R on a 1.8L Toyota engine (the blue lines) over 400 whp and look at that torque curve.
The yellow line same setup, but just a GT3076R and running a bit higher pressure IIRC


http://www.monkeytuner.com/forum/dow...5197&mode=view

Darn, pic no worky.

And I missed that 3.5K price for that 170WHP and 250+ F IATs. When that will get you a good turbo kit or a Rotrex. Wow.

Yah, its pretty impressive, even with the retarded monkey that tuned it.
Now imagine if someone competent put a good dyno tune on it.

The thread's getting funny over at m.net.

yeah :laugh:

Had to join in...

EGT dropped 40* with the 5th injector!

You've got to be fucking kidding me...

I wish I was going to be measuring EGT when I cook with corn. That is probably something to talk/write about.

superchargers, 5th injectors, signal modifiers, egt probes.... welcome to 1979

Which one of you is Quickkid80 :rofl:

Know what else is great? When detonation happens, EGTs drop. :rofl:

turbotim.

:bowrofl:

In top of that Corky is ignorant for not understanding SIMPLE physics :facepalm:. Tom is a fucktard :laugh:

I feel like sounding smart and adding that to my post ...hmmmm

I personally know two people with motors destroyed with the FFS system, not people I've heard of but people I've met. For those keeping score that's two out of three. Not great odds on a system that's advertised as plug and play and dead reliable.

i know 15 of you idiots that have blown turbo motors...

lol@tim

I find it hard to believe that there is much value in anyone entertaining this bullfuck.

Endless Rube Goldberg band-aids does not a system make, imo.

lol@rubegoldberg comment

Should we discuss:
1. How they all swear by "dumb" knock boxes that don't detect detonation except where you tune them to detect it

2. How their customers think that forged pistons and stock rods are the correct way to build motors because "all i need is a little detonation resistance" (ironically the first intelligent thing they've ever said)


Sometimes I cry at night.

I couldn't wait any longer. I'm back in.

Just in case anyone was on the fence regarding Tom's intelligence:

allright ive gotta go see this

where did you find that

Yeah, I'm searching all over for it.

I'm pretty much dumbfounded that people are running 200+whp on superchargers with "5th-injectors" and still have running vehicles. I know Tanner is doing this without issue but that defies logic for my pea-sized brain.

If its on a 1.8, I'm not that surprised. I've seen some pretty ghetto shit hold together for periods of time that defied logic and physics. The 5th injector, while it is a shitty bandaid, isn't as wrong as say....an AFC.

Sixshooter for President! That guy is brilliant.

C

ugh, socal pat is so fucking stupid it hurts my head.

I would get in a boatload of trouble for posting this, so will someone else do it for me:

Also ask which FFS kit uses 315cc injectors, and 4gph of water injection for me.

:jerkoff:

WTF is this guy talking about Hustler was pull on him all the fucking time :vash:

EDIT: I think Im gonna get a warning :laugh:

oh, u mad

Im just saying the truth bortha. He's a freaking moron; I might have taken it too far with the exclamation marks :giggle:

Maybe. Should be good for a couple day vacation at least.

If he's running the water injectors at 200psi rather than the 100psi that their 2gph rating was made at, he'd be getting closer to 8gph overall, no?

And if I recall the thread here correctly Hustler stomped his ass on the straights... and did major suspension/alignment corrections shortly after.

Yeah, I couldn't let that one slide. Tell us how you really feel though :rofl:

I let that go about as far as I reasonably could.

Well, if we can't talk sense into Tom and the followers, at least we can accomplish something by getting every derelict, misleading thread closed.

So is it time to make fun of Hustlers driving yet? I do enjoy how easily he pulled away each straight.... Drag racer :p

I think I spoke for most of us here ;)

He's just such an idiot. I read his sig, and I had to :giggle:

Seriously, what are the power numbers on the other car??

^^ :giggle:

I was gonna reply, ban me then ******, but I realized it was you. JK

I think I took care of that, not too harsh. Waiting for customary threats of ---- intrusion upon my self or my pets.