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Old 03-12-2013, 02:54 AM   #1
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Default TOP 10 things a new car design should be.

I was thinking the other day what my perfect car would be, would it have, or what wouldn't have. So I did what any man would do I made a list, here are my top 10 focus points for car that will never be built.
  • A body style inspiered by the FD rx-7, NB miata, and 60's sports cars
  • Be a 2 seat convertible, 2 seat coupe, or a 2+2 coupe.
  • Modern high revving 4 or 6 cylinder engine availbe as a turbo or NA.
  • Front and rear dual wishbone suspention
  • MUST BE RWD
  • Some type of LSD as a standard feature
  • Only availble with a 6 speed MT or 6 speed SMG
  • The interior should be simple but a nice place to be, I don't want a hundred ******* buttons or the radio trying to connect with my phone I don't want buttons on the wheel for the radio no fancy screens in the dash just a nice simple place be while you drive.
  • Large analog speedo & tach
  • No electronic driver aids, ABS could be an available option.

The list isn't in any order just what I would want in the perfect every day driving car the true ultimate driving machine.
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Doesn't the BRZ hit almost all of these? Maybe it could look more like a FD?
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It hits most of them but it has Macpherson struts in the front and I don't know if the interior is loaded with buttons or not. It's just my list of things that would make the perfect car.
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Gotcha, I forgot about the struts up front. That list looks pretty good to me, I think most of us here would agree. My nc also hits most of those but I like the steering wheel radio and cruise controls personally.
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Lightweight. Not a lot of crap like airbags, tire monitors, etc.
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Lightweight. Not a lot of crap like airbags, tire monitors, etc.
Which are now required by law. Yup TPMS too. Oh yeah, and traction control. ABS will be next.




For new car design, I want the following:



No struts, multi-link is fine in the back, but the front better have fully adjustable a-arms. Struts suck in many, many ways.

Simple and timeless; not too busy in design. Nothing ages faster than doing something "cutting edge" rather than beautiful (see: the 80's). This extends to the interior too.

Fuel economy as a side affect, not a design goal. Instead of a 350hp v8 in a 4000lb car, put a 200hp 4 cylinder in a 2800 pound car.

A manual trans only. (yeah, I'm going there. Unless you live in downtown NY, you have no excuse)

I wouldn't make an LSD required at base level, but definitely as part of higher packages AND 100% standalone.

An "off" button for driver aids. (Ability to pull a fuse to disable ABS)

If we're talking gauges, I prefer analog. How about a real oil pressure gauge? Remember those?

Wheels no bigger than 17's.


[PIPE DREAM] Manual steering [/PIPE DREAM]
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I love how everyone always wants a BRZ, then when they make it, no one actually wants a BRZ.
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As far as the BRZ / FR-S goes, I still am still looking. No manuals available unless I order one. Waiting for the used ones to show up. So far, only slushboxes on the lots.
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[*]Only availble with a 6 speed MT or 6 speed SMG
I'm going to assume you meant DCT. The old SMG BMW transmissions sucked.

However, the modern DCT in the V8 M3 is glorious. And the PDK in the Porsche is even better (Supposedly, I've only driven the M3.)

If you meant SMG, we know to ignore you in the future.
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yeah the dual clutch stuff is nice, the SMG was awful. I'd like a DCT in my next DD...like the EVO
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yeah the dual clutch stuff is nice, the SMG was awful. I'd like a DCT in my next DD...like the EVO
I was VERY close to picking up the EVO X with the DCT tranmission before I ordered my '13 GT Mustang last fall.

There are no Mitsu dealers in Tulsa anymore, and the ones in OKC and Joplin don't even stock the EVO X. The idea of having to go to Dallas/KC/St. Louis for a tech that knows what he is doing was terrifying.

Then I read up on the maintenance stuff. Transmission fluid changes with good fluid = $550 if you do it yourself (and it seems like for hard use the recommendation is for TWO fluid changes in the first 7-10k miles, and an EXTRA transmission cooler is a necessity for track work, or the car goes into limp mode).

The AWD system takes some crazy tool to flush/bleed that every dealer doesn't have.

I didn't want a DD with more maintenance requirements than my track rat.
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Looking at the two "different" cars - it seems to me that buyers of the FR-S are going to be women who are either fresh out of college, single, and looking for their first new car, or late thirties to early forties with their first child having graduated high school and moved away. The BRZ on the other hand seems like a car that is going to be bought by parents of spoiled boys who want to make sure their kids have the coolest cars while also scoring their own bonus points by getting something that is somewhat fuel efficient, thereby spending less money buying their child's gas to get him to and from the movie theater. The secondary demographic of the BRZ is going to be single males in their mid to late twenties who have never owned any type of "sporty", "performance", "new", or "driver oriented" cars, but rather have been limited to cars based on what was available within their budget at the local used car dealership and now want to buy their first "new" car based on emotional impulse after having received their first few big paychecks from their new job as a department supervisor. This man's only "non-negotiable" consideration when buying their new car is that he "isn't going to buy a freaking mustang".

No offense meant, but in response to what people on this forum want, it includes:

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  • A body style inspiered by the FD rx-7, NB miata, and 60's sports cars (Small)
  • Be a 2 seat convertible, 2 seat coupe, or a 2+2 coupe. (2 seater)
  • Modern high revving 4 or 6 cylinder engine availabe as a turbo or NA. (Modern Engine, with an abolute maximum of two "choices" of engine size, independent of transmission options)
  • Front and rear dual wishbone suspention (Real sportscar suspension)
  • MUST BE RWD
  • Some type of LSD as a standard feature (Real sportscar differential)
  • Only availble with a 6 speed MT or 6 speed SMG (Real sportscar transmission standard, number of gears really doesn't matter as long as it's a real sportscar transmission, housewife transmission available as an independent extra cost option)
  • The interior should be simple but a nice place to be, I don't want a hundred ******* buttons or the radio trying to connect with my phone I don't want buttons on the wheel for the radio no fancy screens in the dash just a nice simple place be while you drive. (A standard double-din radio and separate climate control, navigation an independent extra cost option)
  • Large analog speedo & tach (Large analog tach-priority & speedo, with all essential engine diagnostics available at-a-glance - to include at least oil pressure, water temp)
  • No electronic driver aids, ABS could be an available option. (Driver aids designed with primary consideration of motorsports - easily removed/reinstalled with low effort - example: TMPS designed to be easily removed from the wheels by tire installer, and internal control module designed to be disabled by removing a fuse)
Unfortunately, for the users of this forum, you are missing a key requirement to the perfect sports car:

It must be used, at least 5, if not 10 years old, and have a pricepoint to reflect being used.

Unfortunately, designing a car tailored to the used-sportscar-enthusiast demographic is almost never done, because the people who you would most desire to buy your cars, show them off, and get their friends to buy them are the same people who are waiting until that car is out of production to do so.
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It would need to have a price point around 25k, I have been looking a new cars and there is almost nothing I would buy in the 25k range. Thats what got me thinking on my wish list of things the perfect small drives car would have. I want to think that if you cut out the things that a car doesn't want from the start like extra air bags, integrated navigation, fancy climate control, automatic transmission, .....name some useless feature new cars have you could the price down to something reasonable.

When I put SMG on there I guess I should have put ratchet shift dog engagement racing gear box for heavy duty track use. Absolutely no automatic trans not even as a extra cost option.
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the BRZ only fails one of your points.
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Yeah I know but that is one car out of all the new cars is there only one.
Does anyone else have a list of things they want in car.
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Yeah I know but that is one car out of all the new cars is there only one.
Does anyone else have a list of things they want in car.
Comfortable, fast, warranty.

And with a tire/brake pad change could comfortably run at the track all day and then drive home with A/C blasting.

In fact, it's in my driveway.







2013 Mustang GT, base model, no options except the Track Pack.

Track Pack:
255/40/19 P-Zero's on 19x9
Revised suspension tuning (still a bit soft for hardcore track work)
Strut Tower brace
BOSS 302 Radiator with integrated oil cooler
BOSS 302 Torsen diff with finned cover and 3.73s (stock 3.31)
14" brakes with Brembo's upfront


But it would be much hungrier for brakes/tires/fuel than the Miata is, so for now, I'll stick to tracking this:

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I know some ------ will cry about the stick axle, but it's only someone who hasn't actually driven an 11+ GT.
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The points which you mention above are good to make a car cool , but i just want to say one thing according to cars which makes the cars attractive one and that is graphic work. If you have a car with cool graphics work than the design does not meter i think.
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The points which you mention above are good to make a car cool , but i just want to say one thing according to cars which makes the cars attractive one and that is graphic work. If you have a car with cool graphics work than the design does not meter i think.
please go back to the honda or scion crowd, whichever you came from.
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