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Faeflora 12-17-2012 03:52 PM

What to do with blown Subie?
 
I have a blown up Subie Forester XT. It has a downpipe and exhaust and a wideband. The motor is toast.

The question is:

Should I spend $6000 and build the motor for 350awhp?

Or say fuck you Forester, sell it for $6000, and do something else with my money.

Here's the build list:

$1000 turbo
$4000 motor
$500 injectors
$500 ????

I already have my broken miata, a working stockish miata, and a lexus IS-F. All cars are fully paid for.

If I sell the forester I will probably get some other fast/fun AWD/4wd vehicle I can carry stuff around in. No clue what that would be.

Leafy 12-17-2012 03:56 PM

Put in another stock 2.5t engine, re-tune to not fael, profit?

Faeflora 12-17-2012 03:58 PM


Originally Posted by Leafy (Post 960138)
Put in another stock 2.5t engine, re-tune to not fael, profit?

$2300 is cheapest I see for 80k motor on car-part.com :(

18psi 12-17-2012 03:59 PM

sell it to me lolz

240_to_miata 12-17-2012 04:02 PM

uhg thats the cheapest you can find a motor? What about just a bottom end.

My GF has a 95k mile 07 Legacy GT. I hope I never have to replace the motor now!

hustler 12-17-2012 04:04 PM

Take that engine to a machine shop.

18psi 12-17-2012 04:09 PM

I have a spare EJ255 long block sittin here waiting for you baby

:fael:

Fireindc 12-17-2012 04:15 PM

Subie motors are expensive. Did your tune just suck and you blew it up? How much WHP were you pushing? How many miles on it? Stock block should safely do 300whp with no issues. Out of all my buddies with subarus, none have blown up with proper tunes even with tons of abuse and over 100k miles.

viperormiata 12-17-2012 04:19 PM

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TurboTim 12-17-2012 04:30 PM

We're replacing my brother's toasted exhaust valve on his LGT at the moment, same valve & cylinder that mine went a year or so ago. Full suck sodium valves.

And there are places around that have cheaper long blocks than what you posted.

RyanRaduechel 12-17-2012 04:41 PM

Send me the blown up motor with heads so I can build a header for my wrx please, and thank you!

Efini~FC3S 12-17-2012 04:52 PM

What was failure mode?

You guys are making me worried about my FXT.

And Fae, didn't you make fun of 18psi and his subaru tuning? I hope it wasn't a tune issue.

Faeflora 12-18-2012 01:39 PM

The motor died because it was burning oil. Like 1Q a gas tank. I knew this when I bought it. But. Of course. I forgot to check the damn oil. I installed some spiffy new coilvers and was doing 4 wheel drifts. All was awesome. Then on one hard turn I started to hear TAP TAP TAP TAP TAP TAP TAP.

The end.

Turbo then blew. I drained the oil and it was all golden and coppery.

I was very sad.


So I never really wanted to do a big build with this car.

You really think I should just get a new bottom end?

shuiend 12-18-2012 01:40 PM


Originally Posted by Faeflora (Post 960428)
The motor died because it was burning oil. Like 1Q a gas tank. I knew this when I bought it. But. Of course. I forgot to check the damn oil. I installed some spiffy new coilvers and was doing 4 wheel drifts. All was awesome. Then on one hard turn I started to hear TAP TAP TAP TAP TAP TAP TAP.

The end.

Turbo then blew. I drained the oil and it was all golden and coppery.

I was very sad.


So I never really wanted to do a big build with this car.

You really think I should just get a new bottom end?

I think anything less then 800hp in it is a waste. that should be your goal.

Braineack 12-18-2012 01:41 PM

cut the body off with a sawzall and graft it onto your is-f.

Faeflora 12-18-2012 01:51 PM


Originally Posted by shuiend (Post 960429)
I think anything less then 800hp in it is a waste. that should be your goal.


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 960430)
cut the body off with a sawzall and graft it onto your is-f.


I now remember why I like this forum.



Originally Posted by Fireindc (Post 960154)
Subie motors are expensive. Did your tune just suck and you blew it up? How much WHP were you pushing? How many miles on it? Stock block should safely do 300whp with no issues. Out of all my buddies with subarus, none have blown up with proper tunes even with tons of abuse and over 100k miles.

There was no problem with the tune. It was very happy. 11-10.5 AFR. Timing was nothing outrageous and there was no knock.

Braineack 12-18-2012 01:52 PM

That forrester was/is a freaking besat too. blast to drive. although a bit too loud for my tastes.

shuiend 12-18-2012 01:59 PM


Originally Posted by Faeflora (Post 960437)
I now remember why I like this forum.

That is not an acceptable answer to my post. The only acceptable answer is challenge accepted.

I really just want to see how fast you can go bankrupt modding cars.

Fireindc 12-18-2012 01:59 PM

I'll trade you my miata for your blown forester. Then you can have 3 miatas.

Faeflora 12-18-2012 01:59 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 960438)
That forrester was/is a freaking besat too. blast to drive. although a bit too loud for my tastes.

Stage 2 subie power. downpipe exhaust wideband that's it


Vlad, Tim, how much do you think I can find a bottom end for?

TurboTim 12-18-2012 02:10 PM

Factory shortblock should retail for ~$1800-1900 from your local subaru dealer. (1725 rimjobbbbber)

Your aftermarket engine rebuilders should be less than that but we didn't find anyone with any in-stock (~3 weeks turnaround), but my bro didn't end up needing a shortblock.

EDIT AGAIN: but if you fucked up your cam towers/caps or got bad stuff inside your VVT gizmo, you may need more than a shortblock.

Efini~FC3S 12-18-2012 02:13 PM

1. Spend $6k on Cosworth built engine
2. Install
3. Never worry about reliability of engine again.
4. ????
5. Profit

triple88a 12-18-2012 02:50 PM


Originally Posted by Efini~FC3S (Post 960447)
3. Never worry about reliability of engine again.

Unless he gets his sawzaw involved. :fael:

3barboost 12-18-2012 02:56 PM

fit a 6cylinder normally aspirated h6 motor out of the legacy or tribeca - it bolts straight to gearbox and engine mounts are same
put megasquirt on it
custom radiator and fans
custom exhaust with long long primaries

if you really want shits an giggles fit rear mount turbo with biggest hotside you can and run .5bar booost on std internals

leatherface24 12-18-2012 03:01 PM


Originally Posted by braineack (Post 960430)
cut the body off with a sawzall and graft it onto your is-f.

+1

Scrappy Jack 12-18-2012 03:27 PM

1. Think of how much driving enjoyment you have received from your teal Miata.

2. Think of how much driving enjoyment you have received from your IS-F.

3. Note the level of modifications between the two.

4. Set up the Forester accordingly.

Braineack 12-18-2012 03:30 PM

well played.

Ryan_G 12-18-2012 03:31 PM

1. Sell Forester
2. Fix teal miata
3. Dyno tune teal miata
4. ???
5. Profit

18psi 12-18-2012 03:39 PM

I can sell you a complete EJ255 for $1400. Everything. But you have to figure out how to ship it. I aint shippin that shit.

sixshooter 12-18-2012 03:50 PM

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Faeflora 12-18-2012 05:56 PM


Originally Posted by Scrappy Jack (Post 960473)
1. Think of how much driving enjoyment you have received from your teal Miata.

2. Think of how much driving enjoyment you have received from your IS-F.

3. Note the level of modifications between the two.

4. Set up the Forester accordingly.


Ugh. Good fuckig point.

1. In the past year, zero enjoyment.
2. I am driving it as i write this -_-
3. Ugh
4. Ok i will give it a stock block.

240_to_miata 12-18-2012 05:59 PM


Originally Posted by TurboTim (Post 960446)
EDIT AGAIN: but if you fucked up your cam towers/caps or got bad stuff inside your VVT gizmo, you may need more than a shortblock.


VVT solenoids aren't too expensive. I had to replace one on my GF's car. She still has both of the filters in the banjo bolts. In the spring I want to replace the one feeding her turbo and check shaft play on the stock turbo.

Cam caps on the other hand... no bueno.

If you just do a shortblock BE SURE to replace both of the banjo bolts that have filters in them.

Faeflora 12-18-2012 09:39 PM


Originally Posted by TurboTim (Post 960446)
Factory shortblock should retail for ~$1800-1900 from your local subaru dealer. (1725 rimjobbbbber)

Your aftermarket engine rebuilders should be less than that but we didn't find anyone with any in-stock (~3 weeks turnaround), but my bro didn't end up needing a shortblock.

EDIT AGAIN: but if you fucked up your cam towers/caps or got bad stuff inside your VVT gizmo, you may need more than a shortblock.

Yah. I am worried about all the bearing material gettig everywhere in the motor.

calteg 12-19-2012 01:36 PM

I'm just terrified that faeflora and I have almost identical garages.

edit: except all my shit actually works

Faeflora 12-19-2012 02:33 PM


Originally Posted by calteg (Post 960797)
I'm just terrified that faeflora and I have almost identical garages.

edit: except all my shit actually works

Grr whats in your garage.

18psi 12-19-2012 02:38 PM


Originally Posted by calteg (Post 960797)
I'm just terrified that faeflora and I have almost identical garages.

edit: except all my shit actually works

You are not alone.

Same on all counts.

For quite some time now.

calteg 12-19-2012 03:47 PM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 960832)
You are not alone.

Same on all counts.

For quite some time now.

Good taste runs rampant around here

Efini~FC3S 12-19-2012 05:13 PM

In for Turbo Subaru Wagon + Turbo Miata jerk party

Now that Brain has joined the klan...

Braineack 12-19-2012 05:59 PM

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18psi 12-19-2012 06:00 PM

/\ That car runs. It doesn't belong in this thread

BTMiata 12-19-2012 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 960909)

Making me miss mine :vash:



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Faeflora 12-19-2012 08:51 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 960909)

Congratumalatiins scott

Do u get discount for averge yearly milage of 3000? Insurance

dstn2bdoa 12-19-2012 08:52 PM

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Miss mine too.


https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1355968320


And an 02 bugeye that I can't find a pic of.


Buy 18's motor and keep it. Especially if the cars in good shape. Of all the cars I've bought and sold (a lot) I miss my turbo subies the most.

Leafy 12-19-2012 08:53 PM

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Oh God Why.

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240_to_miata 12-19-2012 08:57 PM

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My GF's current 07 LGT next to her previous 02 bugeye WRX
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Love the " Hey I own a subaru too and here is a pic" threadjack

Braineack 12-19-2012 09:38 PM


Originally Posted by Faeflora (Post 960967)
Congratumalatiins scott

Do u get discount for averge yearly milage of 3000? Insurance

insurance only went up 200 a year. This will probably get 6k on it by end of 2013.

BTMiata 12-19-2012 10:51 PM

Any of you 08+ wrx guys on wrxforums.com (Formerly 3Gwrx.com) ??? Ive been over there pretty much since it started amd im a mod/vendor.. 08subiewrx

TurboTim 12-20-2012 08:07 AM

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Braineack 12-20-2012 08:11 AM


Originally Posted by BTMiata (Post 961011)
Any of you 08+ wrx guys on wrxforums.com (Formerly 3Gwrx.com) ??? Ive been over there pretty much since it started amd im a mod/vendor.. 08subiewrx

I can be. I've been a nasioc member since 2009; I dont think I've ever posted. And now I need to post a WTB and still need 3 posts in orderto do it. Time to spam!

18psi 12-20-2012 08:15 AM

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BTMiata 12-20-2012 08:16 AM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 961053)
I can be. I've been a nasioc member since 2009; I dont think I've ever posted. And now I need to post a WTB and still need 3 posts in orderto do it. Time to spam!


Hahahaha luckily 18psi isn't over there...

wrxforums is a really good forum for the 2008 and up Wrx/STi's ... Lots of specific information pertaining to those years. They recently changed the name to something more generic to open it up to the newer generations to come in the future. Personally I think it was a bad move because it's TOO generic.... but oh well too late now

Braineack 12-20-2012 08:17 AM

cool, I need an ambient temp sensor. Apparently the PO removed it for some odd reason. so now I dont get to see how cold it is outsie.

BTMiata 12-20-2012 08:21 AM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 961058)
cool, I need an ambient temp sensor. Apparently the PO removed it for some odd reason. so now I dont get to see how cold it is outsie.

Haha thats weird that they removed that... dont see why there would be any need to?!?!

What year is yours? My brother just picked up a 2010 silver hatch and he's loving it! I always said if I got another it would be a hatch next time. Love how much room there is back there!

**Edit** - Maybe with all the Subaru interest we should have an Official Subaru Chat thread? hahaha we completely derailed this one

TurboTim 12-20-2012 08:26 AM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 961058)
cool, I need an ambient temp sensor. Apparently the PO removed it for some odd reason. so now I dont get to see how cold it is outsie.

It's in the way when you do a front mount. I had to move mine but most find it far easier to just remove it.

Your shit was abused.

Braineack 12-20-2012 08:33 AM

interesting. It looks like it had those dual read horns at one point, i see the old mounting bracket for them, but I didnt notice any evidence of a FMIC. The PO didnt seem to know much when I asked, only that he did the bad tint job on the taillights. But it could have been done before him, he just bought it at a local dealer last year.

But what you say, I could buy. that's the trouble with buying these things, hard to get one unmodded. And with buying used in general, never know what youre really getting.

For example, I've kept my orginial door/shelf speakers and radio in my altima for the day I finally sold it. When I opened the box I've kept them in, I only found 3 speakers. Suffice to say, the car now only has 3 speakers installed.

BTMiata 12-20-2012 08:34 AM


Originally Posted by TurboTim (Post 961062)
It's in the way when you do a front mount. I had to move mine but most find it far easier to just remove it.

Your shit was abused.

Uh ohhhh.. The front bumper comes off really easily maybe rip that off and check for other obvious signs from a FMIC. Check the turbo bolts and see if it was swapped. I wouldn't be worried unless it had a turbo swap. FMIC is pretty harmless.

Braineack 12-20-2012 08:34 AM


Originally Posted by BTMiata (Post 961060)

**Edit** - Maybe with all the Subaru interest we should have an Official Subaru Chat thread? hahaha we completely derailed this one


whoa whoa whoa, thats not how these things work around here. I hijack threads and we talk about me.

18psi 12-20-2012 08:36 AM


Originally Posted by BTMiata (Post 961057)
Hahahaha luckily 18psi isn't over there...

wrxforums is a really good forum for the 2008 and up Wrx/STi's ... Lots of specific information pertaining to those years. They recently changed the name to something more generic to open it up to the newer generations to come in the future. Personally I think it was a bad move because it's TOO generic.... but oh well too late now

I've been on nazicock, i-crub, iwsti, and all the major tuning forums since before you swam in your dads balls. Blow me.

Braineack 12-20-2012 08:36 AM


Originally Posted by BTMiata (Post 961065)
Uh ohhhh.. The front bumper comes off really easily maybe rip that off and check for other obvious signs from a FMIC. Check the turbo bolts and see if it was swapped. I wouldn't be worried unless it had a turbo swap. FMIC is pretty harmless.

turbo looks untouched, although I havent removed the heatshield. Vlad suggested the turbine shield gets cut/modded to fit a larger turbo.

BTMiata 12-20-2012 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 961064)
interesting. It looks like it had those dual read horns at one point, i see the old mounting bracket for them, but I didnt notice any evidence of a FMIC. The PO didnt seem to know much when I asked, only that he did the bad tint job on the taillights. But it could have been done before him, he just bought it at a local dealer last year.

But what you say, I could buy. that's the trouble with buying these things, hard to get one unmodded. And with buying used in general, never know what youre really getting.

For example, I've kept my orginial door/shelf speakers and radio in my altima for the day I finally sold it. When I opened the box I've kept them in, I only found 3 speakers. Suffice to say, the car now only has 3 speakers installed.


Ohhhh he probably had Hella Supertones

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1356010630

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