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Old 12-10-2007, 10:32 AM   #1
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Last post of the long thread by Gary Fischman:

http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread...=259105&page=5

Rather than foster a good discussion, the owner is just all about the money.

FWIW, I fail to see where the OP was flamed/insulted. It looks to me that people were just asking for empirical proof of function and asking for a different product that they were willing to put money down for. I really hope that grinder considers making a non-shark gilled version. But they way he handled things make me think twice about buying one.
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Old 12-10-2007, 10:51 AM   #2
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m.net is the 90210 of the Miata world. The drama is recockulas.
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Old 12-10-2007, 11:15 AM   #4
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i wish he would have said who the sponsor was and what exactly made him leave and then say if he cant deal with the communities concerns then we dont want him here anyways...
but no wait, that would make him cool, im sure he doesnt want that
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i wish he would have said who the sponsor was and what exactly made him leave and then say if he cant deal with the communities concerns then we dont want him here anyways...
but no wait, that would make him cool, im sure he doesnt want that
it's pretty clear who the sponser was if you read the thread.
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i didnt want to read 5 pages over there...someone please fill me in
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the whole thing is gay. I have no respect for autokohnexion or gary
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i didnt want to read 5 pages over there...someone please fill me in
This pretty much sums it up.

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I dont think my service is needed here.
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well thats a shame......huh....NOT

.but thanks MX-5
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Old 12-10-2007, 11:40 AM   #10
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so does the FM hood or the konnection hood actually work, and which one works better?

I was about to pick up an FM hood, but I'd like to make sure its going to actually move air.


btw, the people on that board are raging ------s.
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so does the FM hood or the konnection hood actually work, and which one works better?
There lies the problem. There is a big difference between something that looks like it "should" work based on theory and will work in real life.

IIRC, I think FM might have some vids of testing their hood with strings/etc... but I haven't seen it, you might want to see if you can get a copy. At least they tend to real world test their stuff so you might have some data from their track dog car to back it up.

No one has really tested the konnection hood so who knows? I am not willing to spend the coin to get one, get it painted, and then find out that the gills are self-defeating later.

AFAIK, Ben's homemade hood is the only one with data thus far, and I'm pretty sure that FM has data as well on their hood, but can't say with absolute certainty.
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As a sponsor of this site, I respect other sponsors and try not to get in or step on other peoples toes. I been in the industry long enough and know business ethics. I do not have to explain or argue, specially with co-sponsor of this site about my own product. You will not see me posting or replying on other sponsors thread. I am a designer and as a designer of this hood, I will stick to my previous statements about our hood.

If some of you think I design for looks, last car I did just won first over-all on unlimited class in Laguna Seca with Zero cooling problem. If you are into Time Attack, it's the Factor-X NSX driven by Mazda Speed US driver Billy Johnson.

We are already in the process of making the Hard top and should be available next year.
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Well it looks like you guys are very smart and can't be beat. No matter what I say, even if you know and get the idea, Which I know you guys do, You have to have another answer for it. I am tired, I refuse to reply to this topic anymore, I apologize to people that said good things about the hood in advance, but i have to withdraw my sponsorship from this forum. I dont think my service is needed here.
So you haven't done testing, you don't have an answer, and you're here to sell a new product for people who do not have questions while asking questions is offensive. I'm not surprised...sounds pretty JDM. FM's done testing and made it public, I assume this guy has not.
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There lies the problem. There is a big difference between something that looks like it "should" work based on theory and will work in real life.

IIRC, I think FM might have some vids of testing their hood with strings/etc... but I haven't seen it, you might want to see if you can get a copy. At least they tend to real world test their stuff so you might have some data from their track dog car to back it up.

No one has really tested the konnection hood so who knows? I am not willing to spend the coin to get one, get it painted, and then find out that the gills are self-defeating later.

AFAIK, Ben's homemade hood is the only one with data thus far.
I'm 95% certain I'm buying a used one, I hope it works. I've seen pictures of the testing, but no videos. I don't know enough about FM to assume it will work or not. Rather than state a blind opinion, I question the quality of their turbo system cast parts from cracked ones I've seen in Dallas first hand. I also know they have a product to sell, so I'd really like to see some hard data. I hope there is something out there which suggests some real world testing.

http://www.flyinmiata.com/projects/CF_hood.asp


It looks to me like the vents are far enough back to vent some turbo heat too at speed. I think I'm going to buy it. If it doesn't work, I'll find some local FM fanboy to buy it up. I think I'll have to trim it though becuase it won't fit my car with a 99 hood. There have been greater crimes.
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That guy was a ******* tool and all gary woried about was losing his 130 someodd $ a month on sponsorship. **** that **** you better believe if i came out with a product like that i would have some quantitative data.
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...It looks to me like the vents are far enough back to vent some turbo heat too at speed...
at speed, there's a vacuum and it'll pull air from everywhere - stopped is different problem. But it looks as though it's far enough back for a mid mount turbo to vent heat like a chimney too.

Looks like he's a little defensive about his "engineering". I think the gills are good idea for stop light cooling. That'd work wonders for keeping the fan at bay when stopped- and limited exposure of those components around the turbo to excessive heat (in combination with the extractor).

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What I don't understand is,why did Grinder go to CR.net seeking advice from a bunch of ricers on creating a hood that is suppose to help with heat issues.

He was a regular poster here in the past,so you thought he would ask here first.
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at speed, there's a vacuum and it'll pull air from everywhere - stopped is different problem. But it looks as though it's far enough back for a mid mount turbo to vent heat like a chimney too.

Looks like he's a little defensive about his "engineering". I think the gills are good idea for stop light cooling. That'd work wonders for keeping the fan at bay when stopped- and limited exposure of those components around the turbo to excessive heat (in combination with the extractor).
I agree on the first point...hopefully this deal works out.

He didn't seem to have much of an offense, or at least an answer to intelligent questions about functionality. Since he abandoned his own thread, couldn't answer simple questions, and is a whiney douche-bag, I'll assume functionality wasn't his concern.
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I would not care to deal with customers that whine like that and trash talk the product.

and there are a coupla ricers on club roadster, but there are alot of performance oriented folks there too. Just because you did all the really cool stuff that normally is not available here, doesent make you a ricer.
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I would not care to deal with customers that whine like that and trash talk the product.

Granted people were a down on the shark gills, but for the most part it looked to me that rather than whining/trash talk most of the replies in a nutshell were:

1) If you made one without gills, I'd buy one.
2) Do you have some data on the functionality of the hood?

In fact, a couple of the most "critical" people went out of their way to say that it was great that he was bringing new stuff to market, but they had some questions/suggestions.

I know he's left the forum already so it's moot, but it's a real shame b/c I'd imagine that if he made a gill-less version OR had some data on the functionality of the gills, the hood would have sold like hotcakes, but instead he chose to just say "I stand by my statements." and "I don't think my services are needed here."

In the end it's a loss for everyone, loss of business for him, and the loss of a potentially inexpensive extraction hood for the miata community. FWIW, I hope he decides to build a gill-less version b/c I'd probably STILL buy one.
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