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Old 12-10-2007, 03:49 PM   #21
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and there are a coupla ricers on club roadster, but there are alot of performance oriented folks there too. Just because you did all the really cool stuff that normally is not available here, doesent make you a ricer.
Have you seen some of the hideous "JDM" parts they put on? I don't care how expensive and how hard it is to get,some of that **** is down right nasty and it's rare for a reason........and that's just the "JDM" bunch,don't get me started on the "hood ride" group.They are ricers,cause 90% of the cars on there are "all show,no go".

The performance oriented folks there are also members here too,and most of them go there for a laugh.
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Old 12-10-2007, 04:02 PM   #22
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I would not care to deal with customers that whine like that and trash talk the product.

and there are a coupla ricers on club roadster, but there are alot of performance oriented folks there too. Just because you did all the really cool stuff that normally is not available here, doesent make you a ricer.
This doesn't really need to devolve into a *vsCR type thread. There's no need. But frankly, if you read the build thread on CR, the hood's "designer" molded ebay gills to the hood because people at CR thought it looked cool. From reading the thread on miata.net, most people find them ugly. Some people like them, and a lot of those people are at CR.net. Again, not to devolve, but a lot of those folks are into appearance, and have tastes that fall well outside the norm. Also, a lot of those people are younger and less affluent. It seems to me that if I were making a product, I would make it in a manner that appeals to the majority of the community, not the minority, and I would market it towards people who can actually afford to purchase it. Furthermore, when a vendor makes claims about their product, it is your responsibility as an informed consumer to question those claims. Again, I'm not trying to bash the other forum, nor am I trying to insult the people who populate it. I'm just trying to be real.

Now, what I saw from auto's reply on the miata.net thread, I do not believe that he has the knoweledge or capability to run any real world tests on his hood. And Tom's summary is correct. Either make me a hood w/o the ugly as sin gills, or show me that they work.
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Old 12-10-2007, 04:10 PM   #23
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has anyone done pressure testing on the miata's stock hood?

If so is that data publicly available.
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Old 12-10-2007, 04:13 PM   #24
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there is a wind tunnel model that I've seen on m.net
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How does a hood on a NSX relate to a hood on a miata?
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Old 12-10-2007, 04:29 PM   #26
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How does a hood on a NSX relate to a hood on a miata?
Is this a trick question?
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Old 12-10-2007, 04:31 PM   #27
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so he really didnt design anything if he used ebay gills and erebunis hood, he just did some body work...so its probably worthless
i assume that it does reduce the effectiveness of the erebuni hood by relieving underhood pressure in a place other than the front exducers
the only benefit i can see would be that it helps keep underhood temps down while stopped, but so will any other cut directly above the motor and turbo
if the gills are there to improve the look of the miata, then he surely is mistaken, a lot simpler and more effective method would be to insert cutouts like on the older 2.5RS Imprezas, has function and does not look like *** FWIW
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I agree. The mistake is thinking that an extractor type vent is going to work as an extractor where ever it's placed on the hood. You don't a miata pressure model to see that. IMO the extractor should be just behind the rad and the "vents" at the rear of the hood should just be holes to release the trapped heat. When my fan comes on at a stop, the air that comes from the ground up by my window is like a furnace. That's why I'm putting a hole over the turbo. The extractor by the rad will serve the same purpose when the fan cuts on.
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Looks like excellent glass work.
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I agree. The mistake is thinking that an extractor type vent is going to work as an extractor where ever it's placed on the hood. You don't a miata pressure model to see that. IMO the extractor should be just behind the rad and the "vents" at the rear of the hood should just be holes to release the trapped heat. When my fan comes on at a stop, the air that comes from the ground up by my window is like a furnace. That's why I'm putting a hole over the turbo. The extractor by the rad will serve the same purpose when the fan cuts on.
and thats all that needs to be done, and IMO it looks better too
and its way easier/cheaper and just as if not more effective
problem solved?
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That hood reminds me of the hoods from the DSM world, and the EVOs.

It looks as if FM hood and Auto hood are setup to do two different things. On DSM the hoods at are similar to Auto's, which was not design to remove heat from the engine bay, they were designed to help flow air through the rad. This increase airflow though the rad and lowered temps. They worked, and been a FWD motor setup, they also helped to remove some heat from the turbo when sitting still at a light. AKA the evo hoods.

The FM hood seem to be designed with the plan to remove heat from the engine bay, now this will also increase rad airflow but in theory not as much just do to motor **** been in the way.

Now I like the look of Auto's hood and I would love to see some test with the stock hood and Auto's hood,where a coolant temp, engine bay temps and outside temps where all record and compared. That would be the best way to prove if his hood works or doesn't work.

Now as far as helping the turbo miata, in theory, the hood should flow better air through the rad allowing for cooler coolant temps, which would allow a larger FMIC and more boost. Now as far as removing turbo heat, the grills should in theory remove some heat from the turbo, maybe not as much as FM but some. Again that is all theory and without some real world data... IT ALL MEANS JACK ****
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quite tearing this guy apart. his ideas are sound and I have no doubt that this hood would help with cooling. it may not be a perfectly engineered project, but it's a damn good design. the price is also the ONLY fair one I've seen on a excavator hood for the miata. IF these hoods are available when I get around to my coolant re-route, I will certainly reclock my turbo and change my hot side piping to use it.

by tearing into new vendors like this you guys are only furthering the problem of excessively high pricing for miata aftermarket. you should be supportive, if for no other reason than to create competition in the market and reduce the cost of parts you do want.
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Some evidence in favor of Erebuni:

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/737924/7

He doesn't overheat on track at ~300whp with a [email protected] on an FM stroker motor. He's got a crazy dual thermostat setup, where above a certain temp, he bypasses the heater core so everything goes through the radiator.

Lots of other cool stuff on his site, too.

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quite tearing this guy apart. his ideas are sound and I have no doubt that this hood would help with cooling. it may not be a perfectly engineered project, but it's a damn good design. the price is also the ONLY fair one I've seen on a excavator hood for the miata. IF these hoods are available when I get around to my coolant re-route, I will certainly reclock my turbo and change my hot side piping to use it.

by tearing into new vendors like this you guys are only furthering the problem of excessively high pricing for miata aftermarket. you should be supportive, if for no other reason than to create competition in the market and reduce the cost of parts you do want.
wtf are you talking about? People asked functionality questions. If it moves air, I'll buy it. If it doesn't, I won't.
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Wow, I wasn't expecting that response from mike about withdrawing sponsorship. It didn't sound like you guys were bashing him at ALL. Just constructive ideas/criticism. Some people just need thicker skin.

I'm surprised also becuase there was definitely more people ready to buy the hood as opposed to those clearly not going to buy it.

As for the thread lock right after someone posted comparisons between the two hoods (FM).....lame and typical m.net.
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by tearing into new vendors like this you guys are only furthering the problem of excessively high pricing for miata aftermarket. you should be supportive, if for no other reason than to create competition in the market and reduce the cost of parts you do want.
Too bad this isn't M.net, so I get to say this publicly.

NOBODY INSULTED HIM. The track crew (Emilio, BID, and a couple others) wanted to see data and testing, and all he had was theories, and when they started debating theories and suggesting ideas, he got pissed off, took his ball, and went home. Really ******* mature of him. Every person who had a comment on that hood joined it with "nice piece, I'm very interested", and he still decided that because we aren't a bunch of CR.net fanbois telling him that his **** is h0t, we aren't worth the time or money.

So tell him to grow a pair and go back over there. Debate the theories, admit your faults, and stay in the game, rather than packing your **** because a couple of people didn't like your product. Technical debate and improvement of your products based on customer feedback is an awesome way to build a really loyal following (example: Emilio). Deciding to just up and leave because your customers had suggestions is ******* childish.

I was really interested in one of his hoods, and still am, since he mentioned he'd be willing to do a pre-paid order for a non-gilled hood. I just have to decide if I want to deal with someone who acts like that when people scrutinize his product.

Gary's comments were downright assholish and insulting, and I told him as much in PM after I saw them. To his credit, he deleted them afterwards.
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