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Old 05-05-2010, 07:24 PM   #1
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The owner of the cadillac dealer that I'm selling parts for showed me some of his personal stuff today that he wants me to unload. Amongst the stuff there's 2 vintage rifles and a vintage bayonet.

I remember some of you guys on here posting up guns, not sure whether anyone has had a transaction or not. I just did a quick search on ebay and it looks like there's no real guns, just toy guns.

Can I sell guns? lol
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You have to be a dealer (FFL maybe?) or go through them across state lines.

In state, or at least here, you just sign some forms.

There are laws, and I don't think eBay does firearms.
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You have to be a dealer (FFL maybe?) or go through them across state lines.

In state, or at least here, you just sign some forms.

There are laws, and I don't think eBay does firearms.
Ok. So in other words if I was to post them on here and someone was interested, I couldn't sell/ship them?

I have a feeling these things are worth some serious cash. I could be wrong, but they look OLD.

I wonder if I could post them on craigslist and then just do the sale in person locally with no issues.
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You can't "sell" guns, but as long as you deliver them yourself, and keep it hush... I'm sure there are laws, but at least around here they aren't strict. Maybe in big cities they are. Anybody can bring weapons to a gun show and sell them with a simple bill of sale, no ID checks or anything, but maybe thats only in redneck Alabama.
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You can't "sell" guns.
You can most certainly sell guns. Make a copy of their license as proof of their citizenship, and write up a bill of sale.


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Ok. So in other words if I was to post them on here and someone was interested, I couldn't sell/ship them?
Nope, selling on here would most likely mean out of state, which encroached federal laws, and you'd need to go through a dealer. My grandpa does it all the time though....they drop it off at a willing dealer, pay fee, he picks it up locally, pays fee.
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There are gun auction sites. I used gunbroker.com I think, cant remember, to help set a price on an old 1911 I got rid of a few years back. Google....
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You can most certainly sell guns. Make a copy of their license as proof of their citizenship, and write up a bill of sale.
I meant like in a dealer capacity. Might not be illegal, but I wouldn't want attention selling loads of guns. Selling a gun or two isn't an issue. ^ Gunbroker is good, dealt a little with them.

Are gun laws strictly federal? I would imagine so. Wasn't sure if there was some kind of state deal with guns.
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You'd need to ship to an FFL for them to pick it up. That's all there is to it.

Call the FFL they'd pick it up at, they'll tell you what they need.

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I would suggest sending Rick a PM and ask him how he feels about it. There may be some legal liability for him.
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I have a feeling these things are worth some serious cash. I could be wrong, but they look OLD.
What are they? There are a lot of 80 year old rifles such as Mosin Nagants that are barely worth $100. Or are we talking about correct numbers matching WWII Garands? They might be worth the bother of shopping them around for top dollar, or it could be a better use of your time to bring them into a pawn shop and take what you can get. Depends what ya got.

Firearms sales laws do vary by state. In most free states you can sell a rifle or handgun to a resident of the same state, in a private party transaction within the state, just with a bill of sale (usually not a strict requirement but I like to have one) after seeing their ID to verify residency. However some states like CA will have more restrictive laws even for in-state transactions. Interstate transactions are covered by federal law and as mentioned before, you'd have to ship to a licensed FFL dealer in the buyer's state. The FFL dealer handles the paperwork, runs the background check, and transfers the item to the buyer. Call the receiving FFL and they will make sure you know how to ship it legally. Don't assume you can just box it up and send it priority mail, or you will likely land yourself in a federal pound-me-in-the-*** prison. For some people on this forum, that might sound like a nice vacation but the feds will not be amused.
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setup a deal with a gun shop, and split the profits.
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You can go to gunbroker.com and there is a list of things you need to do if you are a seller. Pretty much just boils down to making sure you ship it correctly (meaning it has to go through an FFL). The FFL I use charges me $15. Shop around (use GB.com for this as well) - my local gun shop wanted $75 to be my FFL for receiving a gun I bought.

One of the most important things to do is to find out what the laws are for yourself. Not pointing fingers but a bunch of people jumped into this thread spewing BS info when they didn't have a clue what they were talking about. This may be ok for building a turbo system but definitely is not ok when dealing with the sale of firearms.
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Yeah, check your local laws. Here in Illinois you have to be registered to buy any gun. There's a 24 hour wait on long guns, 72 hours on handguns and in a transaction of any sort, the seller must keep a record of the sale for 10 years. Not to mention the Cook County assualt weapons ban and Chicago handgun ban. It sucks here.
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Yeah, check your local laws. Here in Illinois you have to be registered to buy any gun. There's a 24 hour wait on long guns, 72 hours on handguns and in a transaction of any sort, the seller must keep a record of the sale for 10 years. Not to mention the Cook County assualt weapons ban and Chicago handgun ban. It sucks here.
Its most often a local law. In VA I can walk over to my neighbor and sell him any of my guns. I just need to check his IDs
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As stated... Check your local laws. Every state is different. For example here, you can buy/sell handguns to anyone without running a background check as long as the person lives here in South Carolina. Rifles and shotguns are not restricted. However, if you have to ship one, you will have to contact your local FFL and have them get in touch with the buyers FFL and they will handle the rest. You will have to pay a fee to have it transferred and so will the buyer upon pick-up. Don't try to bend the law or it will bend you as they take this kind of stuff very seriously...
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Big +1 to everyone saying check your local laws...

In PA, we can sell long guns FTF, but need an FFL for a handgun transaction.

From - http://www.ct.gov/dps/cwp/view.asp?Q=294488

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Private Sale of Firearms

Pistols and Revolvers
Federal Law states you may only buy a handgun in the state in which you reside.

You can only buy a handgun in Connecticut, if in addition to being a resident, you have a valid Permit to carry Pistols or Revolvers, a valid Eligibility Certificate, if you are a licensed Firearms Dealer or if you are a Sworn Police Officer.

A DPS-67-C and a DPS-3-C (4 copies) must be completed. The seller of the handgun must contact the Special Licensing and Firearms Unit at (860) 685-8400, or 1-(888) 335-8438 and obtain an authorization number for that sale. This number is to be added to both forms. The DPS-67-C is to be retained by the seller for 20 years. The seller should retain the original copy of the DPS-3 for their records, give one copy to the purchaser as a receipt, submit one copy to the local police authority where the purchaser resides and submit a final copy to the Commissioner of Public Safety.

Rifles and Shotguns
Sales of long arms between non-licensed dealers, commonly referred to as second hand sales, require no paperwork or notification, however, it is strongly recommended that all firearms be voluntarily registered. In the event of loss or theft of firearm this will provide easy retrieval of information for insurance or police information and assure return of recovered property. (exception: sales conducted at gun shows require NICS authorization check and transfer paperwork) The only restrictions are the seller may not sell to anyone under 18 years of age, or to anyone the seller knows is prohibited from possessing firearms.

Assault Weapons

Section 53-202a of the Connecticut General Statutes gives the definition, and an itemized list of what weapons are considered Assault Weapons.

Definition. (1) Any selective-fire firearm capable of fully automatic, semiautomatic or burst fire at the option of the user or any of the following specified semiautomatic firearms: List of Assault Weapons
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As I suspected, CT is one of those states with horse **** firearms laws.

A DPS-67-C and a DPS-3-C (4 copies) must be completed. The seller of the handgun must contact the Special Licensing and Firearms Unit at (860) 685-8400, or 1-(888) 335-8438 and obtain an authorization number for that sale. This number is to be added to both forms. The DPS-67-C is to be retained by the seller for 20 years. The seller should retain the original copy of the DPS-3 for their records, give one copy to the purchaser as a receipt, submit one copy to the local police authority where the purchaser resides and submit a final copy to the Commissioner of Public Safety.


^^^ Bureaucratic nanny state horse ****.

...it is strongly recommended that all firearms be voluntarily registered. In the event of loss or theft of firearm this will provide easy retrieval of information for insurance or police information and assure return of recovered property.

^^^They can voluntarily register my **** in their ***. If one of your guns is stolen, you should report it to cover your own ***, but they are not going to help you look for it. They will only find it if it turns up after being used in a crime, at which point it will be taken into evidence and you will NEVER get it back, registered or not. That's how it is pretty much everywhere, but most states won't blow smoke up your *** about your chances of ever getting it back. There is zero benefit to a law abiding citizen of voluntarily registering your firearms with the police. I keep personal records with manufacturer, model, caliber, serial number, date of purchase, etc that will give me all the info I ever need to file a police report or insurance claim in the event anything is ever stolen. Don't need any help from the nanny state to keep my records for me.

Assault Weapons
Yay! More horse ****!
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What are they?
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I would also like to know this...
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WOW! Thanks for all the replies guys! I was out longboarding last night and got up late today to see a ton of replies!

Once I gather my thoughts I will post up some pictures of the guns and the info I have on them.

I didnt really plan on listing them for sale here, it was more of a hypothetical kind of question.

If it seems like more trouble than its worth for me to get involved I'll just leave them be. I just thought it would be 2 more sales under my belt and I could help him unload these antiques.

Ohh yeah one more question. So all these gun laws you guys have posted above, do they apply to all guns? Even vintage antiques that probably wont fire without some reconditioning? I'm assuming yes, but just wondering.
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