Originally Posted by Ben
(Post 284234)
The P22 is probably the coolest looking piece in the lot, except maybe for the XD. But it's certainly not nearly as small as a PF9 and doesn't have the nifty belt clip.
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Originally Posted by Arkmage
(Post 284284)
let's not forget that it's a .22LR, so carrying it is stupid.
Gotta agree though, carrying a full sized .22 like that is silly when you've got so many larger caliber concealable weapons to choose from. |
ben, join over at ktog.org
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Originally Posted by xveganxcowboyx
(Post 284211)
After you've put some rounds through it post a little review. I've played with a few Kel-Tec's, but never been thrilled with the quality, but it can vary from model to model.
Originally Posted by bryantaylor
(Post 284325)
ben, join over at ktog.org
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Check out thehighroad.org also.
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Originally Posted by Arkmage
(Post 284226)
9x18 has such a low muzzle energy that you should NEVER CARRY HP ammo in one, the same for .380. The energy is so low that they only get 3-4" of penetration. 6" is the minimum "required lethal penetration". So, the moral of the story is that if you intend to carry a gun for self defense instead of paper, buy something with more ass than a 9x18 or .380. 9mm is a good round, .40 is better but you have to trade capacity. I'm pretty sure the Makarov is a standard eastern european police issue weapon. It's not exactly powerful, but I doubt it would have become a reasonable police standard if it didn't "get the job done." Either way, I'll see soon enough. I heard I'm getting a second hand early birthday present that was probably used by it's last owner to put holes in Ukranian burglars. :) |
Originally Posted by xveganxcowboyx
(Post 284380)
I'm pretty sure the Makarov is a standard eastern european police issue weapon. It's not exactly powerful, but I doubt it would have become a reasonable police standard if it didn't "get the job done."
Either way, I'll see soon enough. I heard I'm getting a second hand early birthday present that was probably used by it's last owner to put holes in Ukranian burglars. :) |
Originally Posted by TurboTim
(Post 284181)
Nice.
I want a gun but I think Meg would shoot me. And I live in NJ... Can't resist commenting on this, trying to own one gun is like trying to stop after eating one potato chip or drinking one beer! BTW, congrats on working for Jesel; everthing Jesel does is first class! |
Originally Posted by xveganxcowboyx
(Post 284380)
I'm pretty sure the Makarov is a standard eastern european police issue weapon. It's not exactly powerful, but I doubt it would have become a reasonable police standard if it didn't "get the job done."
Either way, I'll see soon enough. I heard I'm getting a second hand early birthday present that was probably used by it's last owner to put holes in Ukranian burglars. :) |
Good info, thanks.
Their a little big for carry anyway, though surprisingly light. |
if I'm going to get the firearm out, I don't want the fuckers to live...and that's not some e-thug shit. If I have to use it, I want to be sure I stop them. .45 all the way. I carry a .45 semi.
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Fook, I'd love to get one of them but we're not allowed any here in Ireland :crx:
I think it's got something to do with us taking over England if we had them :dunno: We're only allowed make bombs and stuff. B0llocks :td: |
Coming from a non-gun person I gotta say I'm amazed at how many of you carry guns. It makes it seem like everyone in the south and midwest must be packing heat. I guess I'm not totally surprised by Texas. (Not bashing the thread, not an argument I want to get into)
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Originally Posted by johndoe
(Post 284869)
Coming from a non-gun person I gotta say I'm amazed at how many of you carry guns. It makes it seem like everyone in the south and midwest must be packing heat. I guess I'm not totally surprised by Texas. (Not bashing the thread, not an argument I want to get into)
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I want a 1911 army edition .45.
They are reasonable and BULLET ProoF. They have have been used in the military for decades. I think some branches have switched. But only due to bidding. I love guns. Going into a gun shop makes me feel like a kid in the Candy Store. |
Originally Posted by johndoe
(Post 284869)
Coming from a non-gun person I gotta say I'm amazed at how many of you carry guns. It makes it seem like everyone in the south and midwest must be packing heat. I guess I'm not totally surprised by Texas. (Not bashing the thread, not an argument I want to get into)
My dad is an avid gun enthusiast, but doesn't carry. I've also known people who are "anti-gun" liberal fuckos, that buy a gun on the street because they have a felony record for DWIs and can't buy one with papers. As long as your remain cool with our right to carry, we will be cool with your right to not carry :) |
Hustler, though totally not the right person to take any turbo related advice from, can teach you a lesson on why it's important that good guys should carry guns too. Maybe if you ask him real polite like, he'll share.
Other interesting support. There is a town in GA called Kennessaw where for many years it was a law that every head of household owned a firearm. There was no crime to speak of there, until recently when the law was eventually repealed. However the crime rate there is still extremely low compared to the average, as all the bad guys know that most households still pack. |
Originally Posted by Toddcod
(Post 284933)
I want a 1911 army edition .45.
They are reasonable and BULLET ProoF. They have have been used in the military for decades. I think some branches have switched. But only due to bidding. I love guns. Going into a gun shop makes me feel like a kid in the Candy Store. |
Once again, I get destracted from the forum for a few days and miss the bulk of a good thread.
Ben, good luck with the Kel-Tec and keep an eye on the extractor. It tends to be the weakest point on the weapon. I just picked up not one, but two, Ruger LCPs; one for me, one for the wife. Made the purchase at lunch on Wed and stopped at the range on the way home from work. At 20-yards I was able to get a 7-8 inch grouping sitting about 14-16 inches S-SW (low and left) of center. At 15-yards the drop was within 8 inches. - More than adequate for a pocket gun with a 2.8 inch barrel. Flip is manageable and after break-in, I figure I should be able to get a reliable double-tap from the weapon. Cor-Bon JHPs will compensate for the smaller round. My Kimber CDP Pro is my preferred carry option, but summer time in South Texas does lead toward lighter clothing making concealment a touch more difficult. Dropped in the front pocket of a pair of Dockers or Levis, the LCP is essentially invisible. Cheers! - L PS - (Kotomile): The push to the M9s was an attempt to standardize rounds within NATO. However, most SOF units have switched back to the .45s. |
Originally Posted by l_bader
(Post 285050)
PS - (Kotomile): The push to the M9s was an attempt to standardize rounds within NATO. However, most SOF units have switched back to the .45s.
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