glocks are awesome guns, but a sig is just on another level.

I have a SIG .45. It's fine. But my S.O. can not operate it, and I wanted something a little smaller and with a rail. My new G22 has a built-in laser and a rail to hang a tac light below. I intend it use it for home defense more than carry, however I may carry it as wardrobe permits w/o the tac light.

those internal lasers are sweet, but expensive. how mch did you pay for the whole outfit?

Yeah, they are, but I got a good deal. I got THIS one
http://www.lasermax.com/products/ima...141p_large.jpg

I got the package (G22 w Trijicons, extra mags, laser, case) for $505 shipped. You can find it HERE. If you want a G22 w/o laser, it's only $345.

I picked up the Glock last night and installed the guide rod laser. Mine was in fantastic shape, really did not look used. It came clean and oiled. I got a kick out of the "LE ONLY" markings on the magazines (stupid Bill Clinton). Mine also had the cleaning kit and speed loader included. The night sites burn bright and are very cool.

The laser is a neat thing and I'm sure scary as hell if you are on the other end. Some what PITA to get it installed on the barrel though.

I recommend the outfit I purchased this weapon from, Markl Supply Company in Pittsburgh, to anyone.

Another good one is summitgunbroker.com

They get a lot of factory used glocks for $150 off retail. They also sell brand new ones for a good price.

Any personal experiences with the Glock 27 as a daily CC weapon? Everything about is looks adequate- nine round capacity in a .40 S&W, just hard to say how small is too small. I've never held one.

the short frame glock still have a longer slide makeing it no easier to carry.

Shot a 27 yesterday. Seemed nice. Not as conceal friendly as my Kel Tec, but fit/finish are nicer. I'd probably be more interested in 23 than 27.

I really do like the look and the thinner profile of your PF9. "An elegant weapon, for a more civilized era."

Just can't quite resolve the "stopping power" issue. Nobody wants to be carrying a pellet gun at the wrong time, and yet I'm a bit concerned about the manageability of a big 155 grain .40 S&W in such a small frame size.

There is less perceived recoil firing the G27 than the PF9.
I am not concerned with stopping power of the 9mm. 2 shots of Federal Hydrashock LE to center mass will take down anything short of an elephant.

You probably need to go see your friendly, independent dealer and see if you can actually conceal a 27 any easier than a 23--I bet you can't. They're both long slide, double stack. Just the 23 has a little shorter frame. A friend of mine has a G27, and he always leaves it in the car. I wear my PF9 all the time. The PF9 is a single stack.

Joe, happened to run across these pics today that compare the full size, compact, and subcompact. Second pic shows sub with +1 pinky grip, which is very typical to how I usually see the subs equipped. Note how the sub really isn't significantly smaller than the compact--and they're both double stacks so frame width is the same.

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I know someone else mentioned it...I am partial to the Springfield Armory XDm Series. They make glock similars and have sub-compacts too. I have 9mm, .40, and .45 in the XD AND XDm series (except for .45, as they do not produce them yet). Good luck with your search. Need any pics, let me know. (I'm a "collector" and get my hands on stuff constantly)

Picked up a 23 at a good price. It's much smaller than the 22. On paper, they are almost the same size, but in reality it's not even close. It should conceal extremely easily and it's a good bit lighter.

The 23 also came with 400+ rounds of ammo. Guess what I'll be doing this weekend. :)

All semis, no revolvers. What if your wife has to pull the trigger while the weapon is still in her purse? ("Why in her purse?" you ask? Because it's illegal to display a weapon in public but it is fine for the lady to walk across the parking lot with her hand in her purse.) Semi-auto will quite possibly fail to eject the spent round and jam and your wife could be royally screwed. A revolver with shrouded or hidden hammer has no such problem. Additionally, smaller women may not have the strength to work the slide on a semi-automatic; in the event of a stoppage this could be deadly. With a revolver, she just keeps pulling the trigger.

Take a look at the Smith and Wesson model 638; .38 +P five-shot revolver. Only 16 oz, easily concealable, and extremely accurate.

If you're a masochist, go for the Smith and Wesson model 340PD in the scandium frame and titanium cylinder; only 12 oz but in .357 Magnum. It is brutal to shoot (that should bring out the manly men!). Cost is easily almost double the model 638 but this one should hold its value.

If the trigger pull is too much for the little lady you can replace the trigger rebound springs with Wolff springs from gunsprings.com. Be sure to get the proper tools from Brownell and the S&W bible by Kuhnhausen.

SigSauers rock; Walther PPK is over rated. Not one(!) failure to feed or failure to fire on the Sig P232 in over 1000 rounds but multiple failure to feed/fire on the Walther with <300 rounds. I'll give the Walther another 200 rounds of break in and then, if no improvement, sell the damn thing at a loss. Nothing is louder than pulling the trigger and hearing..."click".

And if anyone is thinking, "But the revolver only has five rounds!" I'll respond, "If you've blasted off 14 rounds and still haven't hit your assailant, where the hell did the 14 rounds go and who did they hit?".

In any case, the next interesting one is the SigSauer P250. Interchangeable barrels and handgrips; 9mm, .357 Sig, .40, and .45, all in one handgun. Hmmmm....

I'm planning to get one of these:

Taurus 605 .357 Magnum

In fact I had a dream about it last night. A very nice dream.

Right now I have a Yugoslavian SKS M59/66 (with bayonet and grenade launcher) and a Remmington Nylon 66 (.22LR).

Figured since this was the first thread I jumped in after my last extended absence, I might as well start here again...

JWarriner, if you are looking for a .357, take a serious look at the Ruger GP-100. Preferably with the 4-in heavy barrel.

Barry, I second the revolver for two reasons. First, it is a good option for the ladies in the senario you describe. Secondly, it works as a great "nightstand" gun. The last thing I want to do while protecting home and family in the middle of the night is clear a misfeed/jam/etc. Instead, I'd rather just pull the trigger again...

- L

+1 for Bader and Barry.

I jumped in this early with the revolver recommendation. Hammerless 5 shot in .38 is a great concealed weapon. Ultra reliable and if you are pulling the trigger with it in your jacket pocket you don't have to worry about the slide not cycling fully.

They aren't "sexy" though.

Cueball -

"Sexy" they might not be, folks at the range Sunday afternoon knew when I stopped firing the 9mm and switched to the .357. Ten minutes late some dude shows up with a S&W Model-19 and got everyone's attention.

(However there is no way I would want to be indoors without hearing protection at night when that .44 went off...)

- L

This has been an interesting thread for me as a potential P22 buyer. The girlfriend wanted something that she could play at the range with, and this seems like a cheap solution. Alternatively, it is available in a 3.5"ish barrel for those who mentioned it is not able to be concealed.