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Old 03-10-2010, 08:57 PM   #1
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I got around to finishing up my car, working out some spark issues, and waiting on mazda to get my t-stat housing cause mine broke, both of them lol.

I got the set for dirt cheap and I wanted something to play with while I save funds for a engine build and new turbo setup.

The install was actually kind of fun, there is that cool factor in them, but at the end of the day I'll net 20rwhp and be 5x as loud. Im hoping some cams pop up in the classifieds for cheap so maybe I could take more advantage of these.

I plan to get the car dyno'd, probly on a dynojet, with a local car club for cheap!

Anyone have any experience with ITBs ?

Oh yeah, these are on a 99-00 head with a 01 block, running my MSPnP, stock header(for now?), and my old 2.5" enthuza turbo exhaust w/ a test pipe. I still think I can make it a fun car. Need to redo my suspension as well.
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They do have a cool factor.... now add a plenum and turbo the car damnit!
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You expect to gain 20rwhp with those?
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I cannot express the need for you to get on a proper load bearing dyno, with the new electronic det-cans and get this thing properly tuned. The dynojet is a total was of time.

With these a load dyno (preferably a mustang), and the new electronic det cans, you can get the cylinder temps super high (preferably with gross heat-soak) and add spark on the ragged edge...then back off 3*. You can't do that on anything else.
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You will not net 20whp. However, add compression, camshaft, and headwork, and you will have something.

I went the carb route. Very similar performance if the carbs are matched and tuned correctly.
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I doubt I'll add a plenum to them, maybe if my goals were 350-400rwhp, then I might consider getting an AEM or something to do sequential fuel and ignition.

You guys don't think even with a 99-00 head with a mild port and polish and the 10:1 CR 01 block I won't even see a 20rwhp gain over stock power? I don't really expect anything spectacular but a 20rwhp gain would be nice, lol.

There is a local mustang dyno that I might consider, but the shop is notorious for ******* peoples **** up. Maybe if I can convince them not to touch my car and just pay them to let me use they're dyno. I do have plans on making det cans, waffling on making electronic det cans or not, I suppose its worth it in the long run.

I'll be helping a friend tune his turbo e30 when Im tuning mine as well, I have no doubt that this will encourage me to save more for the turbo bits. No worries, I'll be back on the turbo soon enough! This is just something to play with really.

Thx for the love!
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I doubt I'll add a plenum to them, maybe if my goals were 350-400rwhp, then I might consider getting an AEM or something to do sequential fuel and ignition.

You guys don't think even with a 99-00 head with a mild port and polish and the 10:1 CR 01 block I won't even see a 20rwhp gain over stock power? I don't really expect anything spectacular but a 20rwhp gain would be nice, lol.

There is a local mustang dyno that I might consider, but the shop is notorious for ******* peoples **** up. Maybe if I can convince them not to touch my car and just pay them to let me use they're dyno. I do have plans on making det cans, waffling on making electronic det cans or not, I suppose its worth it in the long run.

I'll be helping a friend tune his turbo e30 when Im tuning mine as well, I have no doubt that this will encourage me to save more for the turbo bits. No worries, I'll be back on the turbo soon enough! This is just something to play with really.

Thx for the love!
If you do all that, you will get good gains. A camshaft would really pull it all together. You maybe very surprised how well it will perform, even if you can not boast big rwhp numbers.
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350-400hp NA? rofl

Add plenum and boost, or Ill make fun of you
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You expect to gain 20rwhp with those?
Would 20 not be realistic with the ECU replacement and AFM delete? Just asking...
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Would 20 not be realistic with the ECU replacement and AFM delete? Just asking...
no way in hell, unless you have Fuji's dyno
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when you're ready to make big power, call Endyne.
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If you do all that, you will get good gains. A camshaft would really pull it all together. You maybe very surprised how well it will perform, even if you can not boast big rwhp numbers.
Well I do have all that! I just don't like the $700 ticket price on the cams, I can get a turbo for that price!


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Add plenum and boost, or Ill make fun of you
God no, lol.

I'll be selling these to finish off my turbo fund down the road.
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I doubt I'll add a plenum to them, maybe if my goals were 350-400rwhp, then I might consider getting an AEM or something to do sequential fuel and ignition.

You guys don't think even with a 99-00 head with a mild port and polish and the 10:1 CR 01 block I won't even see a 20rwhp gain over stock power? I don't really expect anything spectacular but a 20rwhp gain would be nice, lol.

There is a local mustang dyno that I might consider, but the shop is notorious for ******* peoples **** up. Maybe if I can convince them not to touch my car and just pay them to let me use they're dyno. I do have plans on making det cans, waffling on making electronic det cans or not, I suppose its worth it in the long run.

I'll be helping a friend tune his turbo e30 when Im tuning mine as well, I have no doubt that this will encourage me to save more for the turbo bits. No worries, I'll be back on the turbo soon enough! This is just something to play with really.

Thx for the love!
Did Mr. Washington get around to putting a turbo on that E30 M3 of his? Is Guffeeeeey still pedobears little brother?
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Lol, don't know Mr. Washington, do you mean JB? His e30 is race-prepped for some class, lol. Guffey still runs STS, it was fun chasing him down in my first season in my car when it was stock-ish.
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Lol, don't know Mr. Washington, do you mean JB? His e30 is race-prepped for some class, lol. Guffey still runs STS, it was fun chasing him down in my first season in my car when it was stock-ish.
I never ran the novice class, and my first race out... Maybe 05 or 06, i beat him in his little 1991 la gear high tops he wears. He was a ***** to me ever since. I thought the guy was mike wasington that had that red E30 m3. I think i will get on ETR forums now and torment my little brother.
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no way in hell, unless you have Fuji's dyno
So what is realistic? 15 HP? 10 HP? No way in hell sounds like you think I am way off base. Do you lose HP going to IRTBs, replacement ECU and getting rid of the AFM? You gotta get something...
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So what is realistic? 15 HP? 10 HP? No way in hell sounds like you think I am way off base. Do you lose HP going to IRTBs, replacement ECU and getting rid of the AFM? You gotta get something...
I'm no n/a bolt ons expert but I'd say it should be a tad bit over 15 at the most IMO
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I've never looked at ITB's really but I remember Flyin' Miata showed like 120whp on an itb car on their dyno, but IIRC they just said something like "experimenting with irtb's" no other info... go find it on their dyno page.
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