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Originally Posted by rmcelwee
(Post 536301)
So what is realistic? 15 HP? 10 HP? No way in hell sounds like you think I am way off base. Do you lose HP going to IRTBs, replacement ECU and getting rid of the AFM? You gotta get something...
Im not sure how much can be gained from ditching the MAF but its probably not huge. |
I'm not out there to set big numbers, just going to have some fun with this while I have it. I'm pretty sure my dad will buy them from me, he's all into the old school ITB thing, heh.
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The thing about irtb's is that you eliminate the stopage in the intake tract considerably. But you still have a cork keeping you from going anywhere. The stock cam and ecu is the cork. At least I did not have a stock ecu slowing me down. I probably got less than 150 horsepower with ported 95 head and carbs, but when I put a cam in it, the other mods reached it's potential.
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Something like that would have a lot more benefit if it was reved well beyond 7K along with a huge cam. It sort of eliminating a bottleneck thats not really there for an NA car otherwise.
Rev it to nighn-thowsand are-pee-emmm son. |
Originally Posted by miata2fast
(Post 536310)
The thing about irtb's is that you eliminate the stopage in the intake tract considerably.
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Keith picked up 7rwhp with his Fujiracing ITB setup on his Targa's 2.0L High CR motor...
and only after a bit of tuning... http://www.targamiata.com/images_lrg/targa%20IRTB.pdf http://www.targamiata.com/images_lrg/img_4645.jpg |
Wow...and that's with headers, cams, adjustable gears, more displacement, more compression ratio...good grief.
But I bet the throttle response is nice...can't get that with a turbo. |
You've got to figure if the stock intake manifold isn't a restriction until the engine make ~250rwhp, then it's probably fine at less. :D
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Keith picked up that 6-7 hp vs a modded 99 intake and with an heavily modded motor. This would be vs. a stock intake. With the irtbs, 99 head on a 97 motor and MS 15-20 hp shouldn't be unrealistic. Does the exintake cam swap help with itbs?
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All the top level CSP guys don't use ITBs, because like they said above if its good to ~250hp then it should ok below that.
Originally Posted by cueball1
(Post 536527)
Keith picked up that 6-7 hp vs a modded 99 intake and with an heavily modded motor. This would be vs. a stock intake. With the irtbs, 99 head on a 97 motor and MS 15-20 hp shouldn't be unrealistic. Does the exintake cam swap help with itbs?
The exintake cam swap would help, it seemed to help on N3V's car anyways. I'd be happy to see 135rwhp on an mustang, but that might be too optimistic. |
So you are going up to 10 to 1 compression to then turn around and go turbo later? :facepalm:
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Originally Posted by sixshooter
(Post 536592)
So you are going up to 10 to 1 compression to then turn around and go turbo later? :facepalm:
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Despite the ebonics, I was being sorta serious. If I was doing a build for that sort of thing I would have a good valve train and rev the piss out of it. You have virtually 0 intake restriction, and thats the way to use it.
Thing is, you would want pretty nasty cams to get any benefit up there too. And I have no idea how stock rods, specifically their caps and fasteners, will do at high rpm. Tensile forces from high rpm will kill a rod just as fast if not faster than compresive forces. |
Originally Posted by Sparetire
(Post 536656)
Despite the ebonics, I was being sorta serious. If I was doing a build for that sort of thing I would have a good valve train and rev the piss out of it. You have virtually 0 intake restriction, and thats the way to use it.
Thing is, you would want pretty nasty cams to get any benefit up there too. And I have no idea how stock rods, specifically their caps and fasteners, will do at high rpm. Tensile forces from high rpm will kill a rod just as fast if not faster than compresive forces. I turn my stock rodded motor to 7800 rpm, albiet not at road racing conditions. |
Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 536491)
Keith picked up 7rwhp with his Fujiracing ITB setup on his Targa's 2.0L High CR motor...
and only after a bit of tuning... http://www.targamiata.com/images_lrg/targa%20IRTB.pdf http://www.targamiata.com/images_lrg/img_4645.jpg |
Jimmy's car had stock rods, end-caps, and not sure on the fasteners. I know he rev'd it out to 8k a lot on the track. Evenually they gave out and now he's going rotary.
This thread has been very motivational to get a turbo back in my car, thank you! |
Those Targa vids are pretty motivational too. Sweet car.
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Hey flier, i would send you my exhintake cam if you could get my little brother to mail me a stock intake cam and gear like i have been asking his ass to. He is a fagette that wont mail a damn thing.
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