View Poll Results: Save a life or not?
Yes, take my organs, I'm dead!
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12-11-2011, 10:59 PM
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I realize that should probably be in sarcasm brackets, but there are dozens of labs done to insure your organs are good for donation at the time of donation.
Scott, sounds like you have a good plan, I'm glad you're not completely dead inside
There are numerous levels of consciousness that I could be in where I'd like to be killed. I HATE the families that say "do everything" when it's a lost cause. It's disgusting.
Scott, sounds like you have a good plan, I'm glad you're not completely dead inside
There are numerous levels of consciousness that I could be in where I'd like to be killed. I HATE the families that say "do everything" when it's a lost cause. It's disgusting.
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12-11-2011, 11:01 PM
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First, the harvesting of organs from dead bodies doesn't happen all that often. It depends on the age of the body and what might still be viable. Corneas and skin and come other things... but "organs" just aren't viable shortly after the heart stops beating.
So... organs are almost always harvested from a functioning body. You are in the ER or some other medical establishment, and you are extremely fucked up... massive head injury or extreme bodily trauma that makes it a certainty that you're fucked. YOU of course are unconscious, which means that a family member or your living will determines the extent to which the medical teams will go to keep properly oxygenated blood flowing through your body. At the end, after you are good and truly brain-dead, a hospital representative may approach the decision-making family member about the possibility of organ donation. At this point, it's a virtual certainty that the patient is on very borrowed time or is permanently brain-dead. All options will be put on the table and somebody YOU TRUST or what is specifically written in your living will is the final call.
If somebody does make the call, then an organ donation company that is contracted with the hospital will be called and the process begins.
But the tabloid headline or some random soap opera episode about a doctor choosing not to save a person he knew he could save or who weighed the odds and chose to "kill" you so that 5 others could live is a fantasy.
I have heard this argument a lot, and I have yet to see any documented case of this happening.
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12-11-2011, 11:23 PM
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Sorry y'all, the organ donation industry just doesn't allow for this. I was an EMT for 6 years and my wife is an emergency room nurse and has worked Lvl-1 trauma for years. I can promise you that nobody in emergency medicine "doesn't do everything they can" because somebody might be a donor. The way the system works doesn't allow for this.
First, the harvesting of organs from dead bodies doesn't happen all that often. It depends on the age of the body and what might still be viable. Corneas and skin and come other things... but "organs" just aren't viable shortly after the heart stops beating.
So... organs are almost always harvested from a functioning body. You are in the ER or some other medical establishment, and you are extremely fucked up... massive head injury or extreme bodily trauma that makes it a certainty that you're fucked. YOU of course are unconscious, which means that a family member or your living will determines the extent to which the medical teams will go to keep properly oxygenated blood flowing through your body. At the end, after you are good and truly brain-dead, a hospital representative may approach the decision-making family member about the possibility of organ donation. At this point, it's a virtual certainty that the patient is on very borrowed time or is permanently brain-dead. All options will be put on the table and somebody YOU TRUST or what is specifically written in your living will is the final call.
If somebody does make the call, then an organ donation company that is contracted with the hospital will be called and the process begins.
But the tabloid headline or some random soap opera episode about a doctor choosing not to save a person he knew he could save or who weighed the odds and chose to "kill" you so that 5 others could live is a fantasy.
I have heard this argument a lot, and I have yet to see any documented case of this happening.
First, the harvesting of organs from dead bodies doesn't happen all that often. It depends on the age of the body and what might still be viable. Corneas and skin and come other things... but "organs" just aren't viable shortly after the heart stops beating.
So... organs are almost always harvested from a functioning body. You are in the ER or some other medical establishment, and you are extremely fucked up... massive head injury or extreme bodily trauma that makes it a certainty that you're fucked. YOU of course are unconscious, which means that a family member or your living will determines the extent to which the medical teams will go to keep properly oxygenated blood flowing through your body. At the end, after you are good and truly brain-dead, a hospital representative may approach the decision-making family member about the possibility of organ donation. At this point, it's a virtual certainty that the patient is on very borrowed time or is permanently brain-dead. All options will be put on the table and somebody YOU TRUST or what is specifically written in your living will is the final call.
If somebody does make the call, then an organ donation company that is contracted with the hospital will be called and the process begins.
But the tabloid headline or some random soap opera episode about a doctor choosing not to save a person he knew he could save or who weighed the odds and chose to "kill" you so that 5 others could live is a fantasy.
I have heard this argument a lot, and I have yet to see any documented case of this happening.
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12-11-2011, 11:29 PM
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Of course if the doctors say I may come around in a few weeks, give me a little time to see what happens. But if it's one of those "he could wake up tomorrow, or never" situations... so long.
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12-12-2011, 12:07 AM
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Actually you'd probably have a foley cath, so you wouldn't be pissing on yourself. And we shove a suction tube down your vent every ~30 minutes and suction out your lung gunk, so you wouldn't be drolling on yourself either. And if you had loose stools, you'd be at risk for skin break down and we'd shove what's called a dignicare up your ***:
That green thing is inflated with 100cc of water to plug your anus. There's a hole in the middle to let your stools out. So there ya go, you wouldn't droll, pee, or poo on yourself, what a life!
That green thing is inflated with 100cc of water to plug your anus. There's a hole in the middle to let your stools out. So there ya go, you wouldn't droll, pee, or poo on yourself, what a life!
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12-12-2011, 12:25 AM
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Actually you'd probably have a foley cath, so you wouldn't be pissing on yourself. And we shove a suction tube down your vent every ~30 minutes and suction out your lung gunk, so you wouldn't be drolling on yourself either. And if you had loose stools, you'd be at risk for skin break down and we'd shove what's called a dignicare up your ***:
That green thing is inflated with 100cc of water to plug your anus. There's a hole in the middle to let your stools out. So there ya go, you wouldn't droll, pee, or poo on yourself, what a life!
That green thing is inflated with 100cc of water to plug your anus. There's a hole in the middle to let your stools out. So there ya go, you wouldn't droll, pee, or poo on yourself, what a life!
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12-12-2011, 12:28 AM
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RNs are very controlling and protective of their patients. It's both good and bad, but they do everything they can themselves. I'm an aide, so what I can do is fairly limited, but I'm completely capable of cleaning any bodily liquids, yet I hardly do, they take pride in doing everything themselves. Most of them actually have issues delegating tasks when they're too busy.
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12-12-2011, 12:33 AM
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Actually you'd probably have a foley cath, so you wouldn't be pissing on yourself. And we shove a suction tube down your vent every ~30 minutes and suction out your lung gunk, so you wouldn't be drolling on yourself either. And if you had loose stools, you'd be at risk for skin break down and we'd shove what's called a dignicare up your ***:
That green thing is inflated with 100cc of water to plug your anus. There's a hole in the middle to let your stools out. So there ya go, you wouldn't droll, pee, or poo on yourself, what a life!
That green thing is inflated with 100cc of water to plug your anus. There's a hole in the middle to let your stools out. So there ya go, you wouldn't droll, pee, or poo on yourself, what a life!
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12-12-2011, 09:29 AM
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I just don't want it to be part of the decision making process. I understand what sam and others in the field are saying, but you can't unlearn the fact if operators know im a donor. I want to be brought back, not just stablized. Call it paranora, but that just makes me fele more comfortable. If that's the best they can do, and i still end up a vegetable, my family knows to donate everything; even my huge johnson.
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09-26-2012, 10:48 AM
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and you all called me crazy:
Organs taken from patients that doctors were pressured to declare brain dead, suit charges - NYPOST.com
Organs taken from patients that doctors were pressured to declare brain dead, suit charges - NYPOST.com
The New York Organ Donor Network pressured hospital staffers to declare patients brain dead so their body parts could be harvested — and even hired “coaches” to train staffers how to be more persuasive, a bombshell lawsuit charged yesterday.
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