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Old 11-15-2011, 02:46 AM   #61
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Ive never had a problem with my xp8s put em on in february for a track day, daily'd them since, plus one other track day, and another in a few weeks... No issues here except dust.
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was running x12/x10 on a 02 with 210 at the wheels. Texas track day's kicked here asses. Went back to hawks and never looked back.
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Old 11-15-2011, 12:28 PM   #63
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That probably has a big effect on things.
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8 track days on mine so far, (plus i bought mine used) doing one more, plus street driving, and drove to a couple events and a meet. modulation was good, and they even allow me to heel and toe now. since they don't compress as much as my old pads under full braking, my pedal is higher now, even with my gas pedals height so i can blip it.
It's already been explained that Hustlers view doesn't count when it comes to brakes. he is the exception, not the rule. He is the brake destroyer.
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Old 11-15-2011, 02:42 PM   #65
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Good to hear from experience that these are usable on the street, too. That was my impression in the little time I've spent with them. I can definitely tell that their character changes hot vs cold, but I don't DD the car so driving on them cold isn't going to be a constant issue. And I don't really care if they chew up rotors...cheap enough even at retail.


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Old 11-15-2011, 03:02 PM   #66
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Good to hear from experience that these are usable on the street, too. That was my impression in the little time I've spent with them. I can definitely tell that their character changes hot vs cold, but I don't DD the car so driving on them cold isn't going to be a constant issue. And I don't really care if they chew up rotors...cheap enough even at retail.


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the carbotechs are pretty easy on rotors normally. I think someone mentioned there are rivets at the bottom and they will destroy the rotor if you drive on that.

I will say I have noticed they seem to be hit or miss for many people and I wonder why. I have gotten about 6 events on mine and obout 5k miles daily on them, which is pretty fuggin good for one set. while others say they went through them in one weekend. Maybe they don't handle overheating well?
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My main complaint with Carbotechs is the transfer layer BS. On stock power I had no issues with their longevity or stopping power, and they modulated pretty well IMO. Got 8 track days plus a few thousand street miles before the front XP10s were done (to the rivets). I remember the precise moment when I found out that I was down to the rivets, as I was braking for T10 at Summit and heard a distinct metal-on-metal sound accompanied by the car not slowing quite as well as it should have. Fun times. Driving any significant distance with them worn down too far (in my case, 70 miles home from the track) will mean grooving your rotors deep enough to scrap them, but the friction material itself is pretty rotor-friendly.
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Old 11-17-2011, 01:44 PM   #68
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if you drove to the rivets it's your fault. in reality, you are not supposed to go to a track event with less than 50% pad left. if you choose to run them lower, you should be checking them after every session and stop pushing hard when below 25% pad left.

as far as transfer layer, i think all ceramic pads are the same on bed-in. if you don't swap them out all the time what's the big deal?

the people that wear them out in a couple sessions are doing it wrong, simple as that.
is there an issue when something works great for 1,000 people, and sux for 5? probably not.
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Old 11-18-2011, 05:59 PM   #69
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I've ran carbotechs on 5 cars so far with no problems. I will also say that when I put them on I take my time and oil the sliders, new rotors, clean the stainless hardware, install springs, degrease rotor. I also bed them in like a boss in the country and literally park it in my garage without touching the brakes. That being said, my new car has Brembo's and since you can change pads in 10min Im going to try cobalts next due to the fact they can run on dirty rotors.
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Another -1 for Carbotechs and +1 for Cobalts. Very similar experience to Jeff's over three different cars, XP8s and XP10s.
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Got the rear caliper sorted and everything installed back there on Saturday. Took the car out for a few hours in the mountains Sunday and I must say that I'm really impressed. Never faded, and never caught me short if they were a little cold as they respond to pedal pressure really well (unlike the pads they replaced, which did not gain braking strength with increased pedal pressure). So far so good! As soon as I've got a new clutch in I'll be hitting another track day to see how they do in that setting.
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