Old Skool Let's make fun of Tom@FFS thread..
 

what a yo-yo.




1600-1700* intake temps with a turbocharger....ROFL. (3:30 to 3:50)

so much misinformation...granted the video was from 2007, before he read all of Joe's posts and actually learned.

OMFG, Am I wrong for having a headache after this?
 

https://www.miataturbo.net/images/icons/icon1.gif OMFG, Am I wrong for having a headache after this?
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That's one goofy video.

An engineer who likes lots of gauges even if the peak boost was way over the limit of his boost gauge. So when fuel evaporates, it magically disappears, right? It's like bewitched when she wiggles her nose, twinkletwinkle, poof gone. I wished he went into some science regarding the stock exhaust not being a restriction. He truly has rewritten the book on boost.

did you see his ait's? They were close to 150 and he wasn't driving hard.
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yes I noticed they hit 200*F a few times at 40mph....

i like the comments on the youtube video page :P

but that's way lower than the 1600f I see :giggle:

I'd like to see one of those 30lb intercoolers.
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Turbos get such a bad name because of this kind of misinformation. I couldn't listen to the whole thing. Did he start talking about how there is "no lag" with a supercharger vs a turbo?

THOUSANDS of DOLLARS to up the boost on a turbo? I am sure a MBC is less than that pulley he is selling.

^Your avatar never gets old :giggle:

damn...I am trying to get it down below my ambient +20 while under full boost. In my mind I thought it was still too warm.

IATs go down due to adding more fuel???//!!!???

EDIT: Nm, forget these have another injector upstream.

What a fucktard. I had to stop watching at that point.

"we can keep an eye on what the air/fuels are doing..."

He didn't even say ratio, and he's an engineer. :rolleyes:

I'm pretty sure the last time I took a reading off of my turbine it was less than he claims my intake temps are. :jerkit:

like 1500*?

How fucking awesome it would be if I rolled up next to them in the Machine during this video shoot. Hell, even my Daily would slay that dog.

Am I the only one who finds that supercharger noise annoying? Its like Rosie Perez breathing hard.

Dumb Question.

Are the temperatures produced by the large eaton blowers that they slap on v8s less than whats produced by the mp62 he uses in the kit?

probably not. superchargers are inefficient and produce more heat per psi than turbos in most cases. IIRC, the m45 would produce something like 18*F per psi.

oh my god what a fag. i like he shows-off the car in the same gears that I have severe traction difficulties with 2+" more tire, lol.

If he's making 225whp, he's only making 160wtq or so.

Am I the only one here who thinks Mazda did NOT spend thousands or even hundreds of hours tuning the stock miata? I'm a dumbass fucktard, and the first time I tuned my car I did it in 2-hours.

I love running into any local miata with an intercooler...its like I kill Jesus, every time.

thousands of hours tuning the stock ecu:bowrofl: wow this guy is the typical "wine-and-cheeze'r"

His gauges, gps, and radar probably added up to he 29.5 lbs he saved by not using an intercooler.

I liked the beginning where it was making that incredibly annoying sound and barely catching up to the traffic in front of him.

all that shit cluttering his dash would annoy me

Has he ever tried to join this site? I can only imagine how well that would go over, haha.

BEGi had a car with one of these when I swung by. Owner was converting to turbo. I think they said it made somewhere around 170whp at 10psi.

The supercharger wine was annoying because of the poor quality sound of the camera. The top was down which amplified the traffic noise in the background made things even more annoying. Trust me, its the camera, my SC doesn't get on my nerves at all like that.

I agree he was over exaggerating a bit, but he IS an engineer and chances are he's answers are more educated if not an educated guess. With SC guys its not about sheer power mind you.

No shit about a good turbo tune makes more power than a good SC tune AND for cheaper. SC's are about power delivery.

Railz on this forum got his car tuned via MS with a DIY turbo kit. He's making 168rwhp or something with full exahust and intercooled. I have the stock ECU with crappy band aid mods for my old ass M45 kit. I egg'd him into a drag already knowing he would smoke me, but I was just curious how our power bands differed. From the start, even with a 260lb passenger, I was a little ahead. But from high second and on he was pulling away. Wasn't an immediate pull, about a full 1 1/2 miata length ahead as we were going up a bridge. Even if I didn't have a passenger he wouldn't have pulled on me as hard, but still I would've got smoked no question.

Point is most SC guys go SC for response and power band. If I cared about making at least 200rwhp i'd go turbo or a high end SC kit which would kill my wallet. Turbo's have good power bands too but for SC's it seems to be the priority.

What Tom said about the thousand of dollars to up turbo boost wasn't true, I feel you guys there. Even the educated can be incorrect about products they themselves have not tried nor owned.

I occasionally drive touge roads so response is my priority. I have more low end than a friend with an SR20 making 250rwhp. He gets me in the high speed sections but on second or even first gear turns he ALWAYS bogs down his motor and he's a damn good driver.

In reality its different strokes for different miata owners. There are instances where turbo is more benificial than SC and vise versa. There are even situations were staying NA making 180rwhp and spending muy cake to do that is more benificial than turbo or SC. There's no one size fits all solution, imo.

Even tho its a turbo forum I still find useful info regarding MS, injectors, etc. I like how you have useful links and DIY threads. If I had the money i'd have 3 miata's, 2 FI and 1 making NA power, but thats just me.

Nerd Note: It is true that OEMs spend thousands of hours getting the ECU calibration ("ECU tuning" as referred to by real injuneers i.e. unlike Tom@FFS) right. Most of that time is spent testing the robustness of the calibration under all variations of atmospheric conditions and drive cycles. While you might have spent two hours getting a basic fuel map, drive up to Colorado and watch how poorly your car will run. Emissions compliance also eats up a huge majority of calibration engineering hours.

Unfortunately for Tom, the pretense for which he uses this fact is completely false. Once you tack on additional hardware like a supercharger which totally changes intake tract characteristics (even out of boost), all the tuning that Mazda has done is laid to waste. The ONLY thing that's good from the stock calibration is the idle speed control.

We don't give a fuck if it gets on your nerves because you're a virgin, and you'll die that way.

Even if he "is an engineer" he's a "fucking retard" and wrong all the fucking time...and most likely a virgin too.

SC power delivery is about power and torque never delivering.

168whp is fucking sad. Its even more sad if that's on a dynojet. You're sad.

No one gives a shit about "throttle response and powerband" myth. Everyone here put down a prettier dyno than yours, and we don't care that SC people think "no torque" is "awesome" because it never feels like the car moves.

Your friend with the 240 is not a good driver, because no "good driver" has ever driven a 240. 250whp on a ricer dyno in a big, bloated 240 is not fast, and never will be.

You've never driven a "touge" road because "you're a ------" and never driven in Japan, and you're probably one of those assholes who thinks he's Schumacher because he bought a pre-release ticket to a fast and furious movie and drove up a mountain road.

There is a "one-size fits all" solution and its called you not posting on this forum anymore. We have better shit to do with our time than read your bullshit SC/turbo comparison because everyone here is more intelligent than you, better looking, and has larger genitals.

/owning

:giggle:

I'm pretty sure they're not spending 1000 hours on that shit. Its not like its the first time an enginerd touched the equipment or concept. I only spent about an hour in your girlfriend because I'm familiar with the equipment.

That shit is not even funny. You're even contradicting yourself within two consecutive sentences. Why the fuck would you spend one hour in my girlfriend if you're familiar with your equipment?

lol

i'm a virgin

:cry:

edit:
Aren't you the guy who suggested i should put AFR at 10.0:1 and advance spark further, past 28* because you didn't think I was at MBT?

Hustler,the stuff you post sometimes is fucking hilarious!!!!!


......very entertaining:bigtu:

Probably, I dont remember. Why do you ask?

How about we stay on topic guys? Tom@ffs is a fucking joke.

It really is, I was laughing my ass off over him quoting me

Truly funny shit, Hustler you should be a comedian or work on fox news or something. I can't get enough of it HAHAHAHHAHAHA.

just wanted to see if the guy correcting my inference was the same guy who thinks i should get more spark advance than 28* at 15psi/260whp.

keep going on and on about the difference between blowers and turboz becuz wheeve n3v@r endured this bullshit ricer garbage before. Seriously, its such a cutting edge, fresh topic that you should use more bandwidth discussing it.

omfg that makes me wanna cry.

moar!!!! Lmao!!!

malachi you fail and railz fails at driving his IC is why he looses. and his low timing numbers.

It REALLY is fucking funny!

Hustler's my bro,my nigga,you got a fucking problem with that?

Hustler is the resident comedian and newb beatdown squad member,I suggest you STFU already.

of course he's a liberal.

a fiscal conservative liberal with guns. lol

I only told you to try it, with the disclaimer that I didn't have specific experience with the Miata engine. And later I also admitted that you may have hit the sweet spot for this particular engine. Doesnt hurt my credibility any cause I've actually worked for Suzuki R&D before.

That lives in Texas.
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...and they spent 1000+ hours tuning the car?

my dad is an NRA member registered democrat in california. wat.

im a registered democrat.

ummmm virginia doesn't have party registration

I'm a registered firearm.

then why can't i vote in any republican primary?

because you didn't show up? you can vote in all primaries far as i know.

oh well. let's talk about BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOst. or cats.

For a completely new vehicle program, 40-60 engineers, and a program start-to-finish of about 3 years. I'm not even counting the hours on that.

For a race engine the time is more like 75-150 hours, mostly spent on WOT durability and transients. Less than 50% of that time is spent on the dyno. The driver is a significant part of the equation. Especially if we dont have data or a dyno that does a full track simulation like this:

go to 1:00 i the vid...they're obviously using megalog viewer.

You're telling me that Suzuki spent 3-years with multiple employees on tuning EFI for 1 engine?

Not just Suzuki. I have friends working for the big 3/Cat/Cummins who concur that it takes a similar amount of time, or higher, for a full engine cal with a brand new controller.

2012 Diesel emissions cal is being done right now at Cummins, 3 years in advance.

The stuff we enthusiasts do is similar to a race engine cal which does not have a shitload of time put into OBD-2/CAN, emissions, and durability. These 3 things take 75% of the time in a production engine program.

And LOL@ megalogviewer.

well that response is gay as fuck and I disallow it from consideration. I was surprised to see that Renault is using MLV...I wonder if they registered or deal with the shitty pop-up like I do?

That is then used for 3-5yrs, or even 10yrs and in several different models. They put 100s, and maybe thousands of hours into making it run perfectly in all situations. It's part of building a car, and they have to warranty it.

So superchargers have better response and power band than turbo setups on Miatas? hmm....