Worst Instructor Ever
 

This is just plain awful. Imagine if this was your first track day and first lap.

What an asshole.
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HOLY SMOKES! biggest tool ever. nice find scott..

double you tee eff

"they didn't teach you about smooth?" lol, what an idiot.

"no, that wasn't smooth?"


"hell no you fucking ------, in fact, take me bad to the pit"

Sounds to me like his student was driving faster than he'd ever been on track and he was afraid. ;) And he thinks that was rough driving, he won't be an instructor for long. Guys come out to the track to drive slow.

whatever. he said "we'll take it around a lap and see where you are out." this was after he said he'd yell "slow down asshole" whatever, the driver apexed turn #1 he obviously can't drive.

god what a ------.

I thought it was fake at first, just voice-over on a some lap trying to be humurous, then the girl at the end kinda made it believable.

That instructor is dumbass. I'm glad no one will ever instruct me, I can figure out a track on my own. HPDE<Racing

No shit. If I have to hear another ------ say "let me help you" I'm going to crush his trachea with my heel.

You aren't supposed to apex it on your first lap out - this is a pretty universal rule with every group that runs Thunderhill. Turn 1 is a 95+mph apex and having someone cut across to the inside like that is really bad news.

Having said that, the lines looked just about perfect, so I don't know what this guy's deal was. I wonder whether he was claustrophobic with the closed face helmet and just sort of freaked out once the guy pulled off the first 3 shifts in the pits. I've been scared in student cars before, and I've asked to be let out of one, but I've never insulted a student like that.

I understand that. but either they didn't tell them in the drivers meeting or it's fault of his instructor not instructing his first time ever out on a track :) it's just like on my track where you dont pull to the left out of the pits because it's a +140mph straight

Hopefully more instructor fags show up in this thread to tell us how much we don't know.

Hey call me man. I think I can help you get faster! But you have to let me drive your car around the track for you, so I can show you how much better I am than you at driving. And let me deflower your girlfriend.

What a fuck! :vash: I probably would have talked some shit back to the guy.

I don't know how it works and all, but I assume that was the drivers car correct? And are instructors considered employees of the track?

Basically I'm asking this, if the guy was a dick and the student driver stood up for himself and talked shit back, in his own car, would there have been repercussions?

Can you tell someone that deserves it, "fuck off asshole", without worry of being kicked off the track?

Its funny how this worked out. When my car made 90whp and had crappy bilsteins, I didn't need an instructor, even on my very first track event. Suddenly now that the car has big rubber, 3x the motor, and baller suspension, the driver with 78-hours of seat time can't navigate a track within reason and an instructor needs to drive it. I'm signing up for the next event as "stock miata w/roll bar" and I'll see if they let me in.

I see you liked my GF line. I let John borrow my car last weekend...I will never drive his car.

I have, but they weren't in the car with me. It was a ------ in a Viper who would not let me by, and I had the power to get around him. Earlier in the day he parked his ------ Viper on my gear crushing my chairs, so I parked my car behind his, rolled up the windows and locked it. lol This gay school REQUIRES a point to pass and I had already seen the flag for this several times, so I tried to play nice and ride up his asshole and flash my lights at him for 2 laps while he drove the defense line. So I dropped a wheel on the pass and motherfuckers flipped out like I killed jesus. Then the instructors started yapping at me and i yapped back. I drove the rest of the day too because I am right, and bigger than all those gays who were smart and didn't make me spill any blood. Fuck em, they're ------s.

lol. Is the 78 hours including the past weekend or what? I wish I had a built in body clock like you to log my racing hours.

And you are way too much of an internet whore to pull off the "stock miata\rollbar". The internal struggles of E-celebrities are apparent. It's ok though, you still have your childhood.

I write everything down because apparently I needed a resume to run at a few tracks without getting stuck in "threshold braking drills" with the local ------ schools.

I'm "novice" for HHR, just watch.

Nice backslash, bitch.

Hot pit the car and get space. What you did deserved a black flag. Period.

Regarding the bit earlier...

They told you they wanted someone to drive your car to show you? Made you do that? I would have told them to FUCK and reimburse me for my entire event.... unless it happened after you passed against the rules which you knew existed... and they merely wanted an instructor in the car or something tame like that.

Listen here mother fucker, I am missing multiple keys on this computer because I spilled hot chocolot on it during passionate sex with my ex-gf that you told me to break up with. I don't have a period, I use CTRL-V. Nor do I have a question mark, or a backslash. So next time you wanna talk shit to me on this board, bro, I'll be at your apt waiting for you after work w\ a "spiked fucking bat".

I can only pit so many times for space before running with several vipers on the track gets old. At some point the school has the responsibility to flag/radio the guy who isn't looking at the mirrors to get the fuck off the track. I pitted twice the session that I passed the ------ who swerved at me on the pass, putting me off the track.



I've had to live with 2 instructors since I put the motor in and both times they demanded driving the car. One was successful and I was pretty uncomfortable because that car is fast as shit.

I'm drinking in Denton tonight if you want to meet up. Actually, I'm going to go watch funny porn with the GF then booze it up.

Tell them to fuck off. Not kidding.

Then if you hadn't, its definitely time to talk with the organizers. Which I suspect you did.

At least the Hot pitting would get you away from the main swerving asshat.

Maybe. I have been plastered the past two nights, I don't feel too great. Any idea where your going?

I was behind a fucking AMG C whatever at the little track up here in the wife's n/a. He would pull me half a straight, and no shit, I would catch him up before the apex of the first turn under braking. Slow joyride through the countryside ensued. I hotpit, wait like 30 seconds (should be half lap), go back out. No more than two laps later, same 600hp AMG is trying to become my hood ornament, again. He had the balls to shrug his hands at me while pointing me by on the straight, all while never lifting. They should allow us to beat these fuckwads after sessions.

Punch line, hot pitting only works at big tracks. Ask me why, again. I know all their license plate numbers.

First I am going to lay some pipe, then I'm probably going to poop hole.

If I paid good money to be at that HPDE and had that guy assigned to me, not only would I demand a new instructor, I would do my darndest to make sure the organizers didn't invite him back. Most track groups keep instructor wait lists because there are more interested instructors than there are paying students. It's bad business for the organizers to have pissed off students and believe me, one asshole instructor will not be missed. I help staff a smaller HPDE organizing group and situations like that are pretty rare, but we've quietly "un-invited" a couple of instructors over the years. On the flip side, there were a couple of students that were kind of "blacklisted" for a few years from several east coast HPDE groups due to incidents involving track rage (a.k.a. red mist) and car-car contact.

If you've been to >1 track day you will always run into someone that you met at a previous event, at least that's my experience. It's a close enough community that if you are a problem child, word will eventually get around. For that reason I would probably choose to be more tactful than "fuck off asshole," but it wouldn't get you kicked out.

I would never let someone else drive my car, just like I wouldnt expect them to let me drive their car. My very first instructor event I went to years ago was in my Galant VR-4 which was pushing around 450 hp at the time. I got to know my instructor before ever getting into a car with him. We did a walk around the car before ever hitting the track. And, so he had a chance to show me a couple of things before taking riding with me on my first lap he let me ride with him in his full raced prepped RX-7. The very first session out in my car he was very surprised at what my car could do and how well it handled. He just assumed I had some 4 door sedan. Had no idea what a GVR-4 was. My point, he was wonderful and did things proper. I truly wish I could remember the guys name but it was over 10 years ago. Not anyone who can race a car, or says they can, should be able to be an instructor. Someone should "test" them out and decide whether or not they are fit for the job.

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BTW, that little n/a, power steering, a/c, uhp tires did really well on track. I was never ashamed. If I just wanted a track car, n/a is what I would want. Something like Jacob's dirty pants. Just spend the goofy money I'm spending on boosted stuff instead on Xida and a Giken.

Webby,
I think I just spotted a problem with your car.














It's red....
everyone knows white miatas are faster.:laugh:

Chris, for that I should meet you up in Lincoln and we can see which color is faster!

Being serious, the really eagle-eyed can actually see a major fucking problem with my car, beyond the very obvious. Hint: look very closely in the area within 6 inches of the brake master. Easy fix, but I just discovered it.

I just assumed you had cut that line in preparation for installing a line lock. That the line I put mine in.

It would be great to see some more miatas in Lincoln even if they are the wrong color.

Illusion, that line being cut. But, hint 2, that one is connected to the prop valve.

^^^THIS^^^ my friends, is an exercise in adding lightness!

Thank god I don't have to put up with instructors on the race track...instructors dont ride with you when the lapping day is for motorcycles.

I saw a XP miata in lincoln this year that actually had two proportioning valves. One to balance front and rear, the other, apparently similar to how yours is hooked up, to balance the left and right fronts. Seemed they couldn't "cure" a right front lockup tendency any other way.


Edited to not be a total thread jack. NO WAY NO HOW would an "instructor" drive my car.

This thread is hilarious and slightly confusing

I wondered why, until now, I ended up backwards on track during the first 5 minutes of the first track session ever in this car. Then, along with a lot of other shit, I backed that prop valve all the way out, where it's been until now. I can't fucking believe it.

Sounds like that XP car needed new calipers or a master or something. This is decidedly not the way to figure out l/r brake "balance." Once I fix it, I wonder how the rear braking will behave? I can't get more brake to the rear than just having that straight-through brass coupler to the rear line, can I?

No, FTB, the PM'd secret I just sent you is hilarious and more than slightly confusing. I do not make this shit up.

I'm not sure about your experiences with instructors, but......
Instructors don't generally beat on a car when they drive it for the student. It is more for the instructor to show the student the correct line and also feel how the car reacts to inputs, so they can better instruct the student. I know that at least every time I take out a student's car, I'm afraid of driving too fast because I don't want them to think that I'm beating on their car and don't want them to become uncomfortable.

That group in the video generally runs a great (but expensive) track day. I can tell you that this "instructor" won't be one any longer though, I know the guy who runs the group and have made him aware of this video.

So Is there any question of the guys "smoothness" or the line he's taking at all? I watched it twice, and the only complaint I could even consider is when he squeals the tires right near the end. If it were me, I'd have been happy with that lap if it was my first time, and I'd also be looking to make the instructer wet his pants by hanging it out as much as I could after being told to take him back in.

Any idea what kind of car that is in the video? I can usually figure out from in car shots, but didn't recognize this one.

Sorry for bringing this slightly back on topic

seemed like maybe he was apexing a little too early on some of those corners, but I dont personally know the track, so idk. But I really didnt see anything in the video that stood out as absurd on the drivers part.

Mazdaspeed3 (look at the title of the video).

I instruct with SV and I always ask my student if I can drive their car for the first two laps to show them the line. Having said that, I would prefer to drive their car at 20mph around the track for the first lap so I have time to talk about the lines. This is most important at WSIR, where the line is basically impossible to teach unless you can show the student exactly where to place the car - and because if they fuck up the car placement in one corner (turn 9), you're going off in a big way, and someone died there a year ago. My biggest worry when driving a student car is going fast enough so that I don't hold up the ultra-beginner group.

I don't spend an entire session beating on a student's car - I take it for two easy laps, pointing out markers and braking zones and flag stations, and then give them the keys and pray to god they don't kill me.

If they refuse, I'll just take them out in my car, but it's usually quieter in theirs. :giggle:

All the track days I've been to they specifically say don't let the instructors drive your car. They also tell us to tell them to fuck off if they say pass if/when we know passing isn't allowed. I've had awesome instructors, including some damn good SM guys. Although the past 3 events I haven't had one at all, and the two before that they were only in for one session.

I'd be pissed during the lap, but more than happy to get rid of him and get a new instructor. I'm glad he taped the evidence, so they can get rid of him.

I just got the chance to listen to the whole dialog. Just from an interpersonal standpoint, well, this guy is an asshole, flat out. I would tell him so in person, without a problem. That guy was doing nothing overtly wrong, no way was he even risking an off or spin at any point. Amazing. The instructor just didn't want to be instructing, I will not be convinced otherwise.

I'd like to know the follow-up to all this. All the instructors I've either known or ridden with have been great. They've all had different types of personalities, obviously, some quiet and some outspoken, but just berating someone like that is being a douche, he lives under a rock, and can't procreate.

Did my part to make sure this guy never instructs again, posted it on every board I frequent. He's about to be famous!

2500 views and counting!

Jacob, I posted a comment on youtube right after you did. I will probably spread the vid around a little, too.

Sooooooooo who was the instructor?


Although a small track, my first time out on one was Talladega GP. It was just a fun run-at-your-own-pace day but I opted to have someone ride with me my first time out. I had watched a bunch of video of people running TGP to get an idea of the line before I went out there as well. Needless to say, the instructor was pleased with my driving and only had minimal input...that I didn't have to drive the "fast line" all the time.... meaning I was getting about 6" away from the shoulder of the track to get the fastest line through :giggle: But running that line meant ZERO room for error under braking/downshifting....one little slip of the wheel and I would have been mowing the lawn. I never did that day...and was cutting consistant 1:09 with some in the 1:08 range.....which is "pretty damn fast for a street car" according to the track staff. Anyone on here run TGP?

the director of teh group was posting comments on the video...

If you're not making street tires squeal you're not doing it right. :D

It's tough to tell if he was jerking the wheel since it's out of frame, but just judging by the line it looked smooth enough to me. I didn't see the car's balance get upset either. If there was any lack of smoothness the instructor certainly wasn't giving any constructive advice to fix it. In fact there was not even a shred of useful input that I heard, just what he thought the driver was doing wrong. If I'm carrying 200 pounds of ballast in the passenger area I expect it to be giving me some useful advice. I'd much rather have a stack of steel plates bolted to the floor than have that insufferable douche in my car.

Hopefully I'll be running my first track day there on Feb 15th with a small group of people in the miata. I've been there on other days but never as a driver(The cars were running 1:02s that day.) How long ago did you do that track day?

When I instruct, I generally exit the pit in the reverse direction, like in gran turismo when you're mad at the AI for shoving you off of the track.

The AI in that game is based on Matt Neal's driving style lol.