Hi All! - Page 3 - Miata Turbo Forum - Boost cars, acquire cats.

Welcome to Miataturbo.net   Members
 


Meet and Greet Say Hi. De-noob yourself.

Reply
 
 
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 11-02-2010, 01:40 PM   #41
Moderator
iTrader: (11)
 
sixshooter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Tampa, Florida
Posts: 15,662
Total Cats: 1,560
Default

OP, study more and post less. You have much to learn before making a single assertion. Remember, not one person here knew how little you understood before you made your first post. You reveal more with every post so please stop, for your sake. The next time you have an idea, just let it go. We don't need to know about it.
sixshooter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2010, 02:14 PM   #42
Elite Member
iTrader: (9)
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Bloomfield, Michigan
Posts: 5,682
Total Cats: 10
Default

All of you are ******* retards. I was at 180whp with a MS/intake/ and Honda decals. I would've probably put 190 with an exhaust and 200 with headers.
buffon01 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2010, 02:27 PM   #43
Junior Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Chi
Posts: 138
Total Cats: 0
Default

arctct is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2010, 02:34 PM   #44
Murderator
iTrader: (76)
 
18psi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 36,175
Total Cats: 2,575
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by buffon01 View Post
All of you are ******* retards. I was at 180whp with a MS/intake/ and Honda decals. I would've probably put 190 with an exhaust and 200 with headers.
probably with about 5 headers
18psi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2010, 03:35 PM   #45
Moderator
iTrader: (11)
 
sixshooter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Tampa, Florida
Posts: 15,662
Total Cats: 1,560
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by buffon01 View Post
All of you are ******* retards. I was at 180whp with a MS/intake/ and Honda decals. I would've probably put 190 with an exhaust and 200 when vtec kicked in.
ftfy
sixshooter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2010, 03:39 PM   #46
Murderator
iTrader: (76)
 
18psi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 36,175
Total Cats: 2,575
Default

its vtak. get it right
18psi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2010, 04:27 PM   #47
Elite Member
iTrader: (9)
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Bloomfield, Michigan
Posts: 5,682
Total Cats: 10
Default

No that 200 withOUT vtakkkkk... when vtakkkkk kicks in Im at about 250hp. Holla at yo boy!!
buffon01 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2010, 04:33 PM   #48
Moderator
iTrader: (11)
 
sixshooter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Tampa, Florida
Posts: 15,662
Total Cats: 1,560
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by buffon01 View Post
No that 200 withOUT vtakkkkk... when vtakkkkk kicks in Im at about 250hp. Holla at yo boy!!
250hp?? You mus got naws up in dat bitch! Don't be frontin'.
sixshooter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2010, 04:34 PM   #49
Elite Member
iTrader: (14)
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Edmonton, AB
Posts: 4,921
Total Cats: 0
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 18psi View Post
Not variable on power level but variable on drivetrain and its moving parts.

Saying "25hp" is just stupid.
Read up on drivetrain loss.


CORRECT. Worded it better than I could have. Thank you
I have. And conventional wisdom is that a Miata with stock drive train will loose about 25hp at PEAK HP. This is backed up with dyno testing. This is true at either stockish HP or 250whp. Obviously I'm not talking about any driveline in any car, just a Miata.

Quote:
Originally Posted by 18psi
There is no set number, but 15-20% about right.
Quote:
Originally Posted by 18psi
Not variable on power level
So what is the 15-20% of?
jayc72 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2010, 04:52 PM   #50
Elite Member
iTrader: (2)
 
fooger03's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Columbus, OH
Posts: 4,132
Total Cats: 187
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jayc72 View Post
I have. And conventional wisdom is that a Miata with stock drive train will loose about 25hp at PEAK HP. This is backed up with dyno testing. This is true at either stockish HP or 250whp. Obviously I'm not talking about any driveline in any car, just a Miata.




So what is the 15-20% of?
You just changed your argument.

Post up results of a 250rwhp dyno at the rear wheels.

Then take that engine out of the car, remove the transmission, and post up the results of the same 250rwhp car at the crank.

Do the same thing with a stock car, and post up those results too.

When the drop from car A to car B is a constant at peak HP, then you can tell us how wrong we are.

Professional motorsports still begs to differ.
fooger03 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2010, 04:57 PM   #51
Elite Member
iTrader: (9)
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Bloomfield, Michigan
Posts: 5,682
Total Cats: 10
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by sixshooter View Post
250hp?? You mus got naws up in dat bitch! Don't be frontin'.
Nah ***** I have a 120 shot so that puts me at about 370hp you know we be doin it and ****.
buffon01 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2010, 05:03 PM   #52
Murderator
iTrader: (76)
 
18psi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 36,175
Total Cats: 2,575
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jayc72 View Post
I have. And conventional wisdom is that a Miata with stock drive train will loose about 25hp at PEAK HP. This is backed up with dyno testing. This is true at either stockish HP or 250whp. Obviously I'm not talking about any driveline in any car, just a Miata.

So what is the 15-20% of?
We are saying the same thing but you are trying to be a ******* smart *** when in reality you're just an ***.

Its a variable percentage because all miatas are not exactly the same and all don't have EXACTLY the same drive train loss. different transmissions, different rear ends, different rotational mass etc etc etc differences in the drivetrain will dictate how much percentage of the peak engine output the car will lose.


if you dyno two miatas with same engine power output but different drivetrains then swap the two engines they will NOT put down EXACTLY the same power.

That is called drivetrain loss.

now **** off

Quote:
Originally Posted by fooger03 View Post
You just changed your argument.

Post up results of a 250rwhp dyno at the rear wheels.

Then take that engine out of the car, remove the transmission, and post up the results of the same 250rwhp car at the crank.

Do the same thing with a stock car, and post up those results too.

When the drop from car A to car B is a constant at peak HP, then you can tell us how wrong we are.

Professional motorsports still begs to differ.

And again you worded it better than me. Thank you
18psi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2010, 05:05 PM   #53
Elite Member
iTrader: (14)
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Edmonton, AB
Posts: 4,921
Total Cats: 0
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by fooger03 View Post
You just changed your argument.

Post up results of a 250rwhp dyno at the rear wheels.

Then take that engine out of the car, remove the transmission, and post up the results of the same 250rwhp car at the crank.

Do the same thing with a stock car, and post up those results too.

When the drop from car A to car B is a constant at peak HP, then you can tell us how wrong we are.

Professional motorsports still begs to differ.
I didn't change my tune, I clarified my statement.

I have not personally done it, but am relying on what has been posted by Randy Stocker and others. 25-26hp was what they found independent of the power the engine makes at peak HP. Not a % of what power the engine makes.
jayc72 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2010, 05:07 PM   #54
Elite Member
iTrader: (14)
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Edmonton, AB
Posts: 4,921
Total Cats: 0
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 18psi View Post
We are saying the same thing but you are trying to be a ******* smart *** when in reality you're just an ***.
Wanna hug?
jayc72 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2010, 05:15 PM   #55
Moderator
iTrader: (11)
 
sixshooter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Tampa, Florida
Posts: 15,662
Total Cats: 1,560
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by buffon01 View Post
Nah ***** I have a 120 shot so that puts me at about 370hp you know we be doin it and ****.
Damn *****! I ain't racen u fo sho now. Dat shiz foreal yo! Props!
sixshooter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2010, 05:18 PM   #56
Elite Member
iTrader: (9)
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Bloomfield, Michigan
Posts: 5,682
Total Cats: 10
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jayc72 View Post
wanna touch **** tips?
fify
buffon01 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2010, 05:21 PM   #57
Elite Member
iTrader: (9)
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Bloomfield, Michigan
Posts: 5,682
Total Cats: 10
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by sixshooter View Post
Damn *****! I ain't racen u fo sho now. Dat shiz foreal yo! Props!
Tell yo boy Spilner wat up yo!
buffon01 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2010, 06:54 PM   #58
Elite Member
iTrader: (5)
 
pusha's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Miami, FL
Posts: 7,363
Total Cats: -32
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by buffon01 View Post
Tell yo boy Spilner wat up yo!
Easy there, Toretto, we all know Corona is a shitty beer.
pusha is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2010, 07:05 PM   #59
Murderator
iTrader: (76)
 
18psi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 36,175
Total Cats: 2,575
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jayc72 View Post
Wanna hug?


Sure, just don't get hard or Hustler will get jealous.
18psi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2010, 07:28 PM   #60
Elite Member
iTrader: (14)
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Edmonton, AB
Posts: 4,921
Total Cats: 0
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 18psi View Post


Sure, just don't get hard or Hustler will get jealous.
Too late, already hard.
jayc72 is offline   Reply With Quote
 
 
Reply


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:03 AM.