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Old 09-23-2015, 04:29 PM
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Hello everyone, I've recently aquired a 2000 Miata LS with 87k on the odometer. Now, I bought this car because my Corvette is heading towards the door.

Meat and potatos...I'm looking at the turbos from the MSM to maintain some sort of OEM and I want the early spool, low(8psi?) boost. I'm not going wild, just want a little more power.

With that said, I've found an MSM kit and the gentleman is asking for 465 shipped. Here is what is included, and I need to know if it's a good/bad/fair deal.

exhaust manifold, elbow to downpipe, heatshields, turbo, turbo inlet elbow, external wastegate, coolant return line to the water pump coolant neck, as well as all the banjo bolts for oil and coolant connections braided oil supply and drainlines with AN fittings, turbocharger to motor mount support bracket, and the fourth heat shield.

There is another one with the intercooler for more money on FB. What do you guys think?
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<p>&nbsp;</p><p>I see nothing in your post about injectors or fuel management.&nbsp; So what you call meat and potatoes is really the side dish because without the meat (ECU) you've wasted money.&nbsp; And you'll need the IC.&nbsp; So, read up and do it the right way.</p><p>Buying an LS and adding&nbsp;the MSM mechanical bits + pcs does not equal MSM.</p><p>I'm sure others will chime in soon.</p><p>&nbsp;</p>
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Not to mention nobody likes the MSM crap anyway. I recommend doing buttloads of research and figuring it out from scratch like everybody else. Lot's of awesome resources here, so you definitely came to the right place.
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msm setup doesn't have an external wastegate
there are much better options for a low boost reliable kit than stock MSM
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Originally Posted by bahurd View Post
<p>&nbsp;</p><p>I see nothing in your post about injectors or fuel management.&nbsp; So what you call meat and potatoes is really the side dish because without the meat (ECU) you've wasted money.&nbsp; And you'll need the IC.&nbsp; So, read up and do it the right way.</p><p>Buying an LS and adding&nbsp;the MSM mechanical bits + pcs does not equal MSM.</p><p>I'm sure others will chime in soon.</p><p>&nbsp;</p>
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msm setup doesn't have an external wastegate
there are much better options for a low boost reliable kit than stock MSM

I know I'd need fuel management, I was going to source that stuff. I was just wondering about the price portion of the parts since 465$ didn't seem like a lot for them and being low cost could have me up and reliably running a bit sooner. Everyone likes low cost!

I have another source that has the MSM manifold, turbo, and all piping and intercooler etc for ~700. Again, not sure if that's a great deal on those in particular. I've searched for resale values and what that stuff should sell for and I haven't reached anything conclusive.
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Get the MK Turbo kit from the ongoing group buy and a MSPNP ECU, injectors, and a wideband o2 and you will be most of the way to a good, reliable setup. Nobody here likes the factory MSM crap. It was never a good setup to start with.
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Snd the MSM doesn't really have an intercooler if you've ever seen one. It is the size of a Trapper Keeper and about as useful for a turbocharged Miata.
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Yeah it's a bit small, I was going to source one myself...

Honestly I was only considering the MSM stuff because I have to pass emissions. :(
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It won't work.
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Originally Posted by sixshooter View Post
It won't work.
Roger. I have to pass a visual only...I could get the mk kit and weld in a cat and get long bolts/nuts or weld on the EGR.

Here's to trying. Guess I'll put my deposit on Friday if all works out, if not I'll wait and have to pay a little more. Thanks gents.
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why cant another turbo setup pass emissions?

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Originally Posted by Braineack View Post
why cant another turbo setup pass emissions?
I dunno...I'm also trying to understand a lot of things.

After a lot of research of the OE kit, I don't understand how the MK2 would be better for what I need.

465 vs 1300 and I get way more useable parts with the 465 kit. I already have an exhaust. I understand the MK2 kit would be BETTER, but the OEM kit seems like it could still be reliable, still work, give me what I'm looking for, etc. Ending cost with the mk2 would still be much higher....I dunno...I can't see much of a difference. If I wanted more boost, sure.

I dunno...I feel like the guy at the gym looking for X kind of working out while here could possibly be Y. I'm not trying to lose a valuable resource and good connections if I go the OEM route, or be shamed to the oblivion :P
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I suggest you hold off on any purchases for a LONGGGGG time, and take the time to know what you want and why.

What you think you want, and what you think you know, now, is going to change drastically when you actually know
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Originally Posted by 18psi View Post
I suggest you hold off on any purchases for a LONGGGGG time, and take the time to know what you want and why.

What you think you want, and what you think you know, now, is going to change drastically when you actually know
I want 170-185 WHP, reliable, low boost, and I want to do it on the cheap and pass emissions(visual). It's not a question of not knowing what I want, it's a question of the most efficient(In dollars) way to get there, and if the OE gear aforementioned would work for me.

I've run 11-13lbs/horsepower ratio in cars for a while, and that's where I'm comfortable.

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Originally Posted by 18psi View Post
What you think you want, and what you think you know, now, is going to change drastically when you actually know
^^^ What he said.


Other than that, IMO For a simple no thinking full daily driving kit installation I'd recommend Voodoo II turbo system for NB chassis - As low as $2,345.00



You'll still have stock ecu, voodoo IIpoo box for when boost kicks in, and a very responsive turbo with some power. For 'visuals', just paint shiny parts flat black
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John, where all do you live? That'll probably help us sort out what kind of inspection details you need to meet!
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I live in Franklin County, PA. Sometimes you have to "plug in" the OBD2 in some counties in PA, others are a "visual no-tampering" inspection, and maybe a plug in if the CEL is on. I figured they wouldn't bat an eye at the MSM kit.

I figured I was just better off going megasquirt and tuning it myself on piggyback. I've only ever used tuning software with GM stuff and it wouldn't trip CEL because it was from the factory customization ability. Was hoping to not trip the dashboard with whatever I have to use to give it the most reliable tuning for lower boost.

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