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Old 05-24-2013, 01:55 PM   #21
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damn... thats crapsauce..
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So... what do other people do in California who have FM2 or BeGi kits? Why is this an insurmountable issue only for you, and not everyone else?


Where do you think you're going to get a used Greddy kit with the sticker?
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New first/best mod for your car... a move out of Crapifornia...
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So... what do other people do in California who have FM2 or BeGi kits? Why is this an insurmountable issue only for you, and not everyone else?
We all drive short yellow buses
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So... what do other people do in California who have FM2 or BeGi kits? Why is this an insurmountable issue only for you, and not everyone else?


Where do you think you're going to get a used Greddy kit with the sticker?
there's ways around it but I really don't feel like paying over $200 for a smog shop to pass my car every two years. I dealt with that on my racecar, it's just not worth it to me.

all you need is the EO docs which are actually posted on this site. if I were to get questioned I'd just present the docs and all would be well.
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there's ways around it but I really don't feel like paying over $200 for a smog shop to pass my car every two years. I dealt with that on my racecar, it's just not worth it to me.

all you need is the EO docs which are actually posted on this site. if I were to get questioned I'd just present the docs and all would be well.
So it's not worth $100 a year to you to have a turbo kit worth a ****?


I'd suggest just not boosting your car, then. Because that's the option i'd take if i had a choice between dealing with a Greddy kit or just living with an n/a Miata. You could at least put a 99-00 motor in there or something, and probably be just as quick.
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What happened with the "swap for smog every 2 years" method?

You keep ignoring it, like so many others. Is that seriously not an option? Are you guys trying to tell me that being car enthusiasts its too much to ask for you to swap back to stock ecu 1 time in 2 years?

The chances of you finding a greddy kit with the eo are slim, and even then it will be super old and high mileage and basically in rough shape. Good luck though, I guess
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So it's not worth $100 a year to you to have a turbo kit worth a ****?


I'd suggest just not boosting your car, then. Because that's the option i'd take if i had a choice between dealing with a Greddy kit or just living with an n/a Miata. You could at least put a 99-00 motor in there or something, and probably be just as quick.
problem is there's no guarantee that the shop will be there in two years, etc etc. if another company makes a carb legal kit I'd go for it, it's not like I WANT junk on my car. Everything i put into my car has been and will be quality parts not something that leaves me stranded. that's why you don't see my car slammed on racelands, excessive camber, etc. I chose the greddy because its the only kit I know for sure that's carb legal, I'd have no problem spending money on a quality legal kit if one were available.
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The "carb legal" greddy kit is only a base greddy kit with no intercooler or upgrades. By the time you put a proper FMIC on it, some injectors behind it, upgrade from the POS downpipe, etc. you will not be "legal" anymore. Even with band-aids.

I will say my greddy kit was very reliable. It had the "relief cuts" made in the manifold. In the end the only thing left of the stock greddy kit was the turbo and manifold, the rest I had upgraded because the stock kit was trash.

I seriously would never turbo a miata again without EMS first. I had a band-aid setup.. trust me.
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The "carb legal" greddy kit is only a base greddy kit with no intercooler or upgrades. By the time you put a proper FMIC on it, some injectors behind it, upgrade from the POS downpipe, etc. you will not be "legal" anymore. Even with band-aids.

I will say my greddy kit was very reliable. It had the "relief cuts" made in the manifold. In the end the only thing left of the stock greddy kit was the turbo and manifold, the rest I had upgraded because the stock kit was trash.

I seriously would never turbo a miata again without EMS first. I had a band-aid setup.. trust me.
+1 bought my 2nd miata as a DD, and its all band-aided up.... makes me think the $800 i paid for it wasnt even worth it....
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problem is there's no guarantee that the shop will be there in two years, etc etc. if another company makes a carb legal kit I'd go for it, it's not like I WANT junk on my car. Everything i put into my car has been and will be quality parts not something that leaves me stranded. that's why you don't see my car slammed on racelands, excessive camber, etc. I chose the greddy because its the only kit I know for sure that's carb legal, I'd have no problem spending money on a quality legal kit if one were available.

So find another shop? I seriously don't understand why this is so hard. If you're smart enough to be able to find this forum out of the huge sea of The Internet, you can find more than one smog shop that will take care of your **** for $200 every two years.

It's like you're trying to get us to tell you to not boost your car.

I'll go ahead and say it: Don't boost your car. You can't handle it.
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You want the truth?

YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!

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Welcome to the site iRoush, thanks for joining up!
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So find another shop? I seriously don't understand why this is so hard. If you're smart enough to be able to find this forum out of the huge sea of The Internet, you can find more than one smog shop that will take care of your **** for $200 every two years.

It's like you're trying to get us to tell you to not boost your car.

I'll go ahead and say it: Don't boost your car. You can't handle it.
I guess you're missing my point. I don't want to have to go through the hassle. It's my daily driver, I'm not looking to make this thing a racecar. Going with a setup that is illegal is not an option for me, end of story. What difference does it make to you why I don't want to do it?

Regardless, I contacted Stephanie at BEGi because I did some research and read that they may have smog legal kits.... and they do.


"BEGI currently holds a CARB EO for turbo systems on the 1989-1999 Miatas. The systems that are CARB legal are the BEGI-S, S1, S2, and S3. The S4, SSM, and the Shanghai series of turbo systems are NOT CARB Legal."


Also I appreciate your concern with my ability to turbo a car. Pretty sure hand building the 13.7:1 CR engine that I put in my mustang is a tad more complicated than adding boost Thanks again everyone for the help.
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Old 05-25-2013, 12:44 AM   #35
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CA legal? I don't think so.
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CA legal? I don't think so.
She pointed me to their FAQ page, said they're CARB legal and come with the CARB EO.

What I got from CARB:

EO: D-349 View PDF
EO Date: 1994-01-24
Manufacturer Name: Bell Engineering Group, Inc.
Device: IHI & Aerodyne Turbocharger Kits
Device Type: Turbocharger System / Turbocharger Modification
Part_Number: Model_Specification: Modification_Allowed: Remarks:
1990-1993 Mazda Miatas with 1.6L gasoline engines Kit includes fuel pump, pressure regulator, replacement air cleaner, exhaust manifold, and intercooler. PCV breather hose is relocated. Check valve placed between purge control solenoid and inlet manifold.
EO: D-349-1 View PDF
EO Date: 2000-12-19
Manufacturer Name: Bell Engineering Group, Inc.
Device: Mazda Turbocharger Kit
Device Type: Turbocharger System / Turbocharger Modification
Part_Number: Model_Specification: Modification_Allowed: Remarks:
1994 through 1999 Mazda Miatas The Mazda Turbocharger Kit includes the following: Garrett turbocharger, 10 psi. maximum boost, high flow fuel pump, intercooler (optional), two supplementary fuel injectors, fuel regulator designed to raise the fuel pressure as a function of boost pressure, open element air cleaner, ignition timing retard device, cast iron exhaust manifold, and exhaust connecting pipe. The supplementary fuel injectors are placed in an air tube just prior to the throttle body and are controlled by a boost pressure actuated electronic circuit. The manufacturer recommends 92 octane fuel.
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If the 94-99 kits are ACTUALLY CA legal then you've just uncovered news that will absolutely revolutionize this forum.

Bet you 5 bux they're not though. Many many many many many many people got all hyped up only to be disappointed. CA sucks. There used to be a special CA edition BEGi kit. I don't think its made anymore.
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If the 94-99 kits are ACTUALLY CA legal then you've just uncovered news that will absolutely revolutionize this forum.

Bet you 5 bux they're not though. Many many many many many many people got all hyped up only to be disappointed. CA sucks. There used to be a special CA edition BEGi kit. I don't think its made anymore.
I pulled that info from CARB's website. I don't know if it refers to the CA edition you're speaking of but here's the actual EO for 94-99:

http://arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermkt/de...eo/D-349-1.pdf
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There's a few things on there that should be blatantly obvious problems.

Go ahead and knock yourself out. I'm sure begi will supply you with a bolt on turbo kit... eventually.

Are they still selling the additional injector setups that must be present in order to meet CARB certification?


Seriously, if you want to goody two shoes it and not deal with hassle, just don't boost the car. Nobody here is interested in watching you complain about how hard life is in California every two years.
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$200 every two years isn't much. Less then $10 a month.

No bawls.
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