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Old 05-21-2013, 09:51 PM   #21
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Remove stupidcharger.
Acquire MS2e (or ms3x if you wanna be baller)
Tune the car n/a and learn MS.

Install turbo and supporting mods
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Will I be able to run 5th injector off the MS? I was hoping to tune in baby steps. Would I be better off just upgrading to 550cc injectors when installing MS, or installing WI?
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Remove stupidcharger.
Acquire MS2e (or ms3x if you wanna be baller)
Tune the car n/a and learn MS.

Install turbo and supporting mods
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Why not remove belt, tune NA, and after solid tune, reinstall belt and tune FI while I am acquiring my turbo and supporting mods?

That bad idea?
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Not too bad. Or that and when you're ready for f/i just drop in better injectors and dump the 5th injector failaidz in the trash where it belongs
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Not too bad. Or that and when you're ready for f/i just drop in better injectors and dump the 5th injector failaidz in the trash where it belongs
Question: (I know you will have jokes, and I look forward to them and the memes, but answer the question too.)

Is water / meth injection considered a bandaid? It seems like cooling the intake charge would be better than not, right? I could very well be wrong. Look forward to being intelligently informed
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Its not a bandaid unless its used as a bandaid (ie: to compensate for lack of fuel).

If you have proper fueling and use the w/i for its heat extraction properties (the way its intended to be used) then its pretty sweet. It should never replace an intercooler (no matter what some geniuses will try to tell you) but works fantastic in addition to one
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Its not a bandaid unless its used as a bandaid (ie: to compensate for lack of fuel).

If you have proper fueling and use the w/i for its heat extraction properties (the way its intended to be used) then its pretty sweet.
Is mine compensating for lack of fuel?

Without using the 5th injector, I can run 11.5:1afr at the redline in 5th (6speed) with my 305cc. Since I can fuel without the 5th, would it not technically be beneficial?

(Once again, I am honestly learning.)
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Ditch the 5th and run it on the 305's then. But 1st get MS and unload the pansycards on another n00b
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And while I got you guys, if you were building a turbo kit today, what parts would you buy?

250whp daily driver (will build in the next few years or when engine goes -- whichever comes sooner). Got a budget, but its not a big deal. Rather save if its expensive and have a better setup at the end of the day.
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Ditch the 5th and run it on the 305's then. But 1st get MS and unload the pansycards on another n00b
Your going to hate me, and I guess I won't ask again.

I am not a chemist, and won't debate any logical explanation, because your most likely right, but if its not required for fueling, and my exhaust temps are cooler using it, why should I ditch it?

As you know, I'm going turbo. It just seems like an extra safeguard at this point. Once again, I am wrong all the time...
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you're getting awful close to asking stupid questions again, since that's one of the most beaten to death "lists" anyone has ever asked on this forum.

log mani
gt2560
3" exhaust
460+ injectors
MS
wideband
fmic

that's about it. you can probably start off with a begi "starter" and MS and add on the extras as your wallet permits

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Your going to hate me, and I guess I won't ask again.

I am not a chemist, and won't debate any logical explanation, because your most likely right, but if its not required for fueling, and my exhaust temps are cooler using it, why should I ditch it?

As you know, I'm going turbo. It just seems like an extra safeguard at this point. Once again, I am wrong all the time...
Its an extra point of failure/weak link. And completely un-necessary. Its 80's technology. If you don't need it, don't use it. use the KISS principle (keep it simple stupid). all the extra wiring, fuel line, fittings, etc required to run the 5th injector is just stupid and pointless. Its 2013 and we don't drive Buicks

The "lower exhaust temps" arguments is an asinine argument used by a gigantic idiot by the name of Tom @ FFS and his minions. Anyone still using a 5th injector or "e-cool" is considered retarded on MT.net. Seriously. We wont' even waste time helping you if you listen to him and his stupid ideas/logic
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you're getting awful close to asking stupid questions again, since that's one of the most beaten to death "lists" anyone has ever asked on this forum.

log mani
gt2560
3" exhaust
460+ injectors
MS
wideband
fmic

that's about it. you can probably start off with a begi "starter" and MS and add on the extras as your wallet permits



Its an extra point of failure/weak link. And completely un-necessary. Its 80's technology. If you don't need it, don't use it. use the KISS principle (keep it simple stupid).
Thank you for explanation.

Also, my plan was EFR / Absurdflow or ARtech. Is there not compelling reason to use custom fabricated manifolds or higher end turbos on stock motor?

Possibly 250 is 250, and I should save money for building motor?
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hahaha if you have the money to chuck at an ABSURD/EFR setup I would be the last person in the world to tell you not to do it. you'd definitely need a built engine with something like that though. they will sodomize those stock rods with the quickness
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hahaha if you have the money to chuck at an ABSURD/EFR setup I would be the last person in the world to tell you not to do it. you'd definitely need a built engine with something like that though. they will sodomize those stock rods with the quickness
Yeah. Reason I asked about the setup was not because I don't know a "basic good" setup, but since my plan was to build down the road, it seems like you'd save money (break even) by not buying new turbo and mani to match your build. Can't you just run 12-14psi (whatever equates to around 250whp) on a 6258 safely on stock motor and turn up boost after build?

Correct if wrong (or if I am being dum noob).
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its very potent and spools very fast. meaning if you put enough load on it low enough in teh rev range it has a good chance of snapping a rod even at low pressure levels like 9-10psi

At 12-14 I fully expect an EFR to overpower the stock engine on the 1st pull

So the answer is you probably CAN run that on stock engine, but will probably end up breaking things anyway.
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If you seriously try to tune a 5 injector setup with MS I'm going to petition to ban you.
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its very potent and spools very fast. meaning if you put enough load on it low enough in teh rev range it has a good chance of snapping a rod even at low pressure levels like 9-10psi

At 12-14 I fully expect an EFR to overpower the stock engine on the 1st pull

So the answer is you probably CAN run that on stock engine, but will probably end up breaking things anyway.
So no one here is running EFR turbo on stock motor? Sounds like we need a guinea pig.
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Actually, the first guy to post here with an EFR had a stock motor. It was, literally, the shittiest setup you could imagine, but with a baller EFR. Still made like 270whp without breaking a sweat.

Edit: Read https://www.miataturbo.net/diy-turbo...-6258-a-56871/

Edit2: Ari (99MX5) ran with a stock motor. Vented block status with the quickness.
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We like guinea pigs that try baller parts around here.

Do it
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Actually, the first guy to post here with an EFR had a stock motor. It was, literally, the shittiest setup you could imagine, but with a baller EFR. Still made like 270whp without breaking a sweat.

Edit: Read https://www.miataturbo.net/diy-turbo...-6258-a-56871/

Edit2: Ari (99MX5) ran with a stock motor. Vented block status with the quickness.
I just finished reading that original post. Your quick. Wonder if there is room for a decent manifold while maintaining AC and PS.
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