Power Needed for Sub-2min Thunderhill Lap?
#41
[QUOTE=Builder;836272]Thought it might be a few more pounds than that. All adds up and every little bit helps. What does your car weigh?QUOTE]
My car with my 200lb *** in it was 2522 with half tank of fuel on the corner weight scales... this is a full interior, no lightening done '97 with 15x9 6UL's w/225/45's, Harddog roll bar, FM frame rails, and more stereo gear than stock.
I think since I have a nice Audi for a DD now, it's time to "add lightness".
My car with my 200lb *** in it was 2522 with half tank of fuel on the corner weight scales... this is a full interior, no lightening done '97 with 15x9 6UL's w/225/45's, Harddog roll bar, FM frame rails, and more stereo gear than stock.
I think since I have a nice Audi for a DD now, it's time to "add lightness".
#42
My car with my 200lb *** in it was 2522 with half tank of fuel on the corner weight scales... this is a full interior, no lightening done '97 with 15x9 6UL's w/225/45's, Harddog roll bar, FM frame rails, and more stereo gear than stock.
I think since I have a nice Audi for a DD now, it's time to "add lightness".
Gonna be a blast to have more power and lighter weight!
#44
In one video you downshift to what sounds like 3rd. Faster and smoother in 4th.
T2
You sorta late apex but you don't need to. Fastest line there is shortest distance. From extreme right edge coming down hill, angle in towards inside if T2 then brake and brake late. Carry a tiny bit of braking into beginning of turn. You carried very little speed into the turn and released the brakes too soon. If you can release the brakes in T2 that early, you're not carrying enough speed going in.
T3
When you exited T2 you unwound too early and just went straight down the center of the track. You want to keep turning left as you hit the exit kerbing of T2 so you shoot across to the left a little bit. From there you angle back in to the middle of the track and then brake. You were braking while still pointed away from inside of T3 instead of towards it.
Once you begin braking you want to end up on the inside of T3 sooner. You never hit the apex but should be right on top of it for at least half the length of the kerbing. It's way off camber so the less time spent in the turn the better.
T4
You didn't use all the track on exit but you need to. Also you lifted after you made the right left transition. That can upset the car. Better to lift when you first making the steering input to change directions, getting weight on the nose, then back to WOT as you finish the direction change. As you carry more speed off T3 your mis-timed lift will get the rear end to step out in a big way. The other detail is the length of the lift. Make that transition hard, max right to max left abruptly with a very quick lift. That's just time spent coasting
T5
Good line but the lift could have been much shorter.
T6-7-8
Good
T9
You brake too much and didn't nearly use all the room on the track out. You should struggle to stay on the track at exit there if you want any speed down the straight. You also don't need to traverse all the way to the left side of the straight. Sticking on the right side save about 50' distance
T10-13
Good
T14
Braking too early and not hard enough. You then hang on the brakes too long and over slow for the turn. Too wide there too. Try just straddling the rumble strips mid turn so the car is loaded harder as you track out of T15.
Other notes:
-Your shifts are kinda slow. Most were a full second, one was over 1s. The slow ones should be 500ms. If you have a light flywheel, you should be able to routinely snap off 300ms shifts.
-You're not braking very hard anywhere. Miatas make a lot of time up under braking. If you are after a sub 2:00 there with just enough hardware to get the job done, you're going to have to learn to threshold brake everywhere. The first time you do T1 right is a bit spooky. You go in deeper and just dab them briefly but very hard. Roll off gradually to set the nose and slip angle then right back to power. It's not a long smooth braking zone.
- You spend a lot of time with your hand camped on the shifter. Stop that. The right hand should only come off the wheel to flick the shifter and reach for a beer.
- I might suggest changing the camera angle to capture the forward view and your hands on the steering wheel. Very helpful to see steering and pedal inputs.
Camera angle I like in my cars http://youtu.be/CXWqcvYBhug
Best guess is that car will go ~2s faster as it sits.
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#45
T2
You sorta late apex but you don't need to. Fastest line there is shortest distance. From extreme right edge coming down hill, angle in towards inside if T2 then brake and brake late. Carry a tiny bit of braking into beginning of turn. You carried very little speed into the turn and released the brakes too soon. If you can release the brakes in T2 that early, you're not carrying enough speed going in.
You sorta late apex but you don't need to. Fastest line there is shortest distance. From extreme right edge coming down hill, angle in towards inside if T2 then brake and brake late. Carry a tiny bit of braking into beginning of turn. You carried very little speed into the turn and released the brakes too soon. If you can release the brakes in T2 that early, you're not carrying enough speed going in.
T3
When you exited T2 you unwound too early and just went straight down the center of the track. You want to keep turning left as you hit the exit kerbing of T2 so you shoot across to the left a little bit. From there you angle back in to the middle of the track and then brake. You were braking while still pointed away from inside of T3 instead of towards it.
Once you begin braking you want to end up on the inside of T3 sooner. You never hit the apex but should be right on top of it for at least half the length of the kerbing. It's way off camber so the less time spent in the turn the better.
When you exited T2 you unwound too early and just went straight down the center of the track. You want to keep turning left as you hit the exit kerbing of T2 so you shoot across to the left a little bit. From there you angle back in to the middle of the track and then brake. You were braking while still pointed away from inside of T3 instead of towards it.
Once you begin braking you want to end up on the inside of T3 sooner. You never hit the apex but should be right on top of it for at least half the length of the kerbing. It's way off camber so the less time spent in the turn the better.
T4
You didn't use all the track on exit but you need to. Also you lifted after you made the right left transition. That can upset the car. Better to lift when you first making the steering input to change directions, getting weight on the nose, then back to WOT as you finish the direction change. As you carry more speed off T3 your mis-timed lift will get the rear end to step out in a big way. The other detail is the length of the lift. Make that transition hard, max right to max left abruptly with a very quick lift. That's just time spent coasting
You didn't use all the track on exit but you need to. Also you lifted after you made the right left transition. That can upset the car. Better to lift when you first making the steering input to change directions, getting weight on the nose, then back to WOT as you finish the direction change. As you carry more speed off T3 your mis-timed lift will get the rear end to step out in a big way. The other detail is the length of the lift. Make that transition hard, max right to max left abruptly with a very quick lift. That's just time spent coasting
Maybe. Looks like I should actually wait another tenth or two after the short shift. I grabbed throttle too early and had to breath throttle before entry. Better to have waited on downhill.
I should go in earlier on 7.
T9
You brake too much and didn't nearly use all the room on the track out. You should struggle to stay on the track at exit there if you want any speed down the straight. You also don't need to traverse all the way to the left side of the straight. Sticking on the right side save about 50' distance
You brake too much and didn't nearly use all the room on the track out. You should struggle to stay on the track at exit there if you want any speed down the straight. You also don't need to traverse all the way to the left side of the straight. Sticking on the right side save about 50' distance
Love T10. Could go deeper on all entries, though.
-You're not braking very hard anywhere. Miatas make a lot of time up under braking. If you are after a sub 2:00 there with just enough hardware to get the job done, you're going to have to learn to threshold brake everywhere. The first time you do T1 right is a bit spooky. You go in deeper and just dab them briefly but very hard. Roll off gradually to set the nose and slip angle then right back to power. It's not a long smooth braking zone.
Yup, I figured 1.5.
Thanks for the nit-picking, I mean, detailed critique. I appreciate you taking the time to do a thorough dissection. It's great to have this kind of analysis with suggestions that can be put to immediate use. Can't wait to get back there and try some line adjustments, challenge the brakes a little more.
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