*MORE* LC-1 Problems
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*MORE* LC-1 Problems
Does anyone else on this board thing that the Innovate LC-1 is an incredible pile of garbage?
I bought my sensor controller from Kelly IIRC from WOT tuning or whoever. The sensor it shipped with was bad, attempting to contact Kelly AND Innovate lead to ABSOLUTELY NO REPLY FROM EITHER, I had to buy a new sensor OUT OF POCKET to make the running total almost 300$ for this piece of ****.
Now its on a kick, basically anytime I want to start my car and go somewhere I have to remove the sensor and redo the free air calibration. Otherwise, it displays 7:1.
Anyone else having ABSOLUTELY NO LUCK with this ******* thing??????
I bought my sensor controller from Kelly IIRC from WOT tuning or whoever. The sensor it shipped with was bad, attempting to contact Kelly AND Innovate lead to ABSOLUTELY NO REPLY FROM EITHER, I had to buy a new sensor OUT OF POCKET to make the running total almost 300$ for this piece of ****.
Now its on a kick, basically anytime I want to start my car and go somewhere I have to remove the sensor and redo the free air calibration. Otherwise, it displays 7:1.
Anyone else having ABSOLUTELY NO LUCK with this ******* thing??????
#2
I had better support than that but after running dedicated lines, relocating the sensor, installing a heatshield, replacing the sensor, RMAing it, getting it back having it work for a month and then refuse to connect to the laptop and still not trusting the thing - I went AEM UEGO and freaking love it. It may be less accurate and less controllable but I trust it and it's not nearly as pissy as the LC1 seemed to be with me.
Really rather frustrating.
Really rather frustrating.
Does anyone else on this board thing that the Innovate LC-1 is an incredible pile of garbage?
I bought my sensor controller from Kelly IIRC from WOT tuning or whoever. The sensor it shipped with was bad, attempting to contact Kelly AND Innovate lead to ABSOLUTELY NO REPLY FROM EITHER, I had to buy a new sensor OUT OF POCKET to make the running total almost 300$ for this piece of ****.
Now its on a kick, basically anytime I want to start my car and go somewhere I have to remove the sensor and redo the free air calibration. Otherwise, it displays 7:1.
Anyone else having ABSOLUTELY NO LUCK with this ******* thing??????
I bought my sensor controller from Kelly IIRC from WOT tuning or whoever. The sensor it shipped with was bad, attempting to contact Kelly AND Innovate lead to ABSOLUTELY NO REPLY FROM EITHER, I had to buy a new sensor OUT OF POCKET to make the running total almost 300$ for this piece of ****.
Now its on a kick, basically anytime I want to start my car and go somewhere I have to remove the sensor and redo the free air calibration. Otherwise, it displays 7:1.
Anyone else having ABSOLUTELY NO LUCK with this ******* thing??????
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Some people here will say that if you got rid of the LC1 for anything else you are an idiot, but I ditched that **** after weeks of changing things trying to get it to work right. My first problems were of course improper grounding and power, but after I fixed that the stupid POS broke itself. I am pretty sure the sensor took a ****, but I didn't even have 200 miles on it. I now have $400 worth of junk sitting in a corner of my shop, and a working UEGO in its place. Anyone want to buy a non functional LC1? ha
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Dedicated power (add-a-fuse under the dash) and a good ground (grounded to the ECU grounds) and the only times I have trouble with it are when it's very cold (30s) outside (takes much longer than normal to warm up) or when I beat on the car for 6 laps straight in 90+ degree heat with the sensor in the stock position and it overheats. They definitely seem to be hit or miss, though.
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Try to talk to Felipe in Support. My controller went bad after a year of use, troubleshooted with him over the phone and then sent it in, and I had a new unit within two weeks.
But as far as all the issue, I dunno what you ladies are doing with these things
But as far as all the issue, I dunno what you ladies are doing with these things
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Mine's been on in the stock location with a copper heatshield for the past 2 1/2 years and I've not had one issue.
IMO all problems are down to a **** poor install.
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Welded a bung on right before the cat flange, zip tied it to the PPF, tied and loomed up the cabling under the hood and plugged it into the factory wiring. That last part is starting to look the culprit of my problems. Guess thats what I get for wanting a complete PNP solution.
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I did it the half-assed way the first time and payed for it but after doing it right following every direction perfectly and it busting even worse, I jerked the thing out.
The kicker - I put the UEGO in the same exact spot with the same power and ground and it's rock solid. Never even a blip of instability. It's great to finally trust my WB02. I would have loved to use the LC1, loved the configurability of it, and the first time I installed it it was hyper accurate (until it started spewing Error 8s every drive).
No doubt poor installs can and do cause problems but there comes a point where the equipment is just questionable. Like I said, I would have preferred to keep it - but the thing drove me crazy.
But hey, at least I got some great grounds and clean power out of the deal
#12
Welded a bung on right before the cat flange, zip tied it to the PPF, tied and loomed up the cabling under the hood and plugged it into the factory wiring. That last part is starting to look the culprit of my problems. Guess thats what I get for wanting a complete PNP solution.
#18
I ran a dedicated ground (12ga was the only wire I had...) to the ground lug where the ECU grounds and a dedicated power from a KO fuse under the dash but the signal is NOISY!!!
I dropped the sample rate to 1/12 sec to the G3 Gauge and it helped the guage a bit but the MS is getting a real jumpy reading.
By grounding it to the same ground wires the ECU uses, at the ECU would the signal not be cleaner? I'm sure they can handle the extra 3-4 amps.
Would shortening the LC-1 wires and/or sheilding help any?
I dropped the sample rate to 1/12 sec to the G3 Gauge and it helped the guage a bit but the MS is getting a real jumpy reading.
By grounding it to the same ground wires the ECU uses, at the ECU would the signal not be cleaner? I'm sure they can handle the extra 3-4 amps.
Would shortening the LC-1 wires and/or sheilding help any?
#19
I have to chime in a bit here. any time you have wires that are coiled with current running through them, you create an electro magnetic field( but I assume you know this). so if you have a bunch of wire all wrapped up and tied together. . . I'm sure it would create some noise. with as finicky as these are supposed to be, I would definitely try to straighten it out and see if it makes any difference. I see absolutely no reason not to shorten them though.
#20
I actually have them run in a big loop to avoid any field generation.
I did have them run near my laptop inverter which I am now powering straight off the battery.
I also re-wired the LC-1 and gauge and the gauge does not seems to jump as much. I have not put the laptop on yet though, I will on the way to work tomorrow and see if it cleaned up any.
I also moved my MAP signal tie in to the FPR from the TB nipple.
I did have them run near my laptop inverter which I am now powering straight off the battery.
I also re-wired the LC-1 and gauge and the gauge does not seems to jump as much. I have not put the laptop on yet though, I will on the way to work tomorrow and see if it cleaned up any.
I also moved my MAP signal tie in to the FPR from the TB nipple.