Another TPS/ground issue
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From: Morrison, CO
I am having TPS/ground issues too
I basically narrowed my problem down to my LC-2 wideband. There is no separate sensor ground on the LC-2 and I think it causes a ground loop or voltage difference.
My TPS will read correctly everywhere EXCEPT in overrun. When in overrun my TPS % drops to 0 and then holds...UNTIL the overrun fuel cut kicks on then the wideband reads 22.2 and boom the TPS starts fluctuating from 0-6%. Get back on the gas and the TPS holds steady at the right %. At idle it holds steady at 0%. Only when the wideband reads 22.2 does the TPS start acting up.
It's actually better now, before when the wideband read 22.2 the TPS would jump to 0-15% causing the overrun fuel cut to turn off, inject fuel, then wideband reads normal fuel range and the TPS goes back to 0%, then overrun fuel cut cuts fuel, causing the wb to read 22.2, causing the TPS to jump to 15%, causing the computer to inject fuel etc etc, creating a nasty feedback loop.
Also when I first start up the TPS will read something like -6% and then as soon as the wideband warms up and starts working, the TPS jumps to 0% and holds steady.
Anyway I basically narrowed it down to the LC-2 because I disconnected the LC-2 from the car/ECU and my TPS held perfectly solid at 0% when in overrun. Combining sensor and chassis grounds also makes it worse. The kicker is I never had this problem with my MS1 using all the exact same hardware, but now I have the problem on my MS3x.
Where does everyone get 12v and ground from for their LC-2? Currently I pull 12v from the OEM O2 sensor plug and ground at the chassis ground point of my MS3x. I'm pulling the gauge headlight-dimmer source from somewhere under the dash, not sure if that matters at all. I also think it's a bad idea to ground the LC-2 only to the sensor ground location of my MS3x.
I basically narrowed my problem down to my LC-2 wideband. There is no separate sensor ground on the LC-2 and I think it causes a ground loop or voltage difference.
My TPS will read correctly everywhere EXCEPT in overrun. When in overrun my TPS % drops to 0 and then holds...UNTIL the overrun fuel cut kicks on then the wideband reads 22.2 and boom the TPS starts fluctuating from 0-6%. Get back on the gas and the TPS holds steady at the right %. At idle it holds steady at 0%. Only when the wideband reads 22.2 does the TPS start acting up.
It's actually better now, before when the wideband read 22.2 the TPS would jump to 0-15% causing the overrun fuel cut to turn off, inject fuel, then wideband reads normal fuel range and the TPS goes back to 0%, then overrun fuel cut cuts fuel, causing the wb to read 22.2, causing the TPS to jump to 15%, causing the computer to inject fuel etc etc, creating a nasty feedback loop.
Also when I first start up the TPS will read something like -6% and then as soon as the wideband warms up and starts working, the TPS jumps to 0% and holds steady.
Anyway I basically narrowed it down to the LC-2 because I disconnected the LC-2 from the car/ECU and my TPS held perfectly solid at 0% when in overrun. Combining sensor and chassis grounds also makes it worse. The kicker is I never had this problem with my MS1 using all the exact same hardware, but now I have the problem on my MS3x.
Where does everyone get 12v and ground from for their LC-2? Currently I pull 12v from the OEM O2 sensor plug and ground at the chassis ground point of my MS3x. I'm pulling the gauge headlight-dimmer source from somewhere under the dash, not sure if that matters at all. I also think it's a bad idea to ground the LC-2 only to the sensor ground location of my MS3x.
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Joined: Jul 2009
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From: Morrison, CO
Here is a log of a start-up, you should notice the TPS snaps to about 0% at the same time the wideband comes alive. Rain and hail and nastiness right now so I'm keeping it in the garage for now.
Try grounding the LC2 to the same point as the ECU - the cylinder head if you're running it through the stock harness.
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From: Morrison, CO
That's where it was grounded. Just to be sure tonight I pulled all the LC-2 wiring that had been in there for about 5 years and ran new wires, cleaned up the ECU ground point and bolt and use conductive grease and the problem remains just the same. I recently uncovered some mistakes in the wiring harness from the PO of my MS3x and built a whole new wiring harness from the MS3 to the car's loom. I'm wondering if they messed up something inside. What in the MS3 should I be looking at for clues?
I am currently having a similar issue. I have a MS2 and a Innovate MTX-L wideband. Did you ever sort this out?
My TPS reading fluctuates a lot as well when I am having the issue, which makes my car idle like dog ****.
Today when it happened, I turned on my headlights, and the TPS reading went back to normal from doing that. Maybe the toyota itb TPS I run is very sensitive to heat?
I am suspicious of it being my TPS or grounding to my TPS
My TPS reading fluctuates a lot as well when I am having the issue, which makes my car idle like dog ****.
Today when it happened, I turned on my headlights, and the TPS reading went back to normal from doing that. Maybe the toyota itb TPS I run is very sensitive to heat?
I am suspicious of it being my TPS or grounding to my TPS
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Joined: Jul 2009
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From: Morrison, CO
Sort of. I changed turbo set ups and in the process moved the LC-2 module to a new spot. I also had the excess wiring looped up, but now it's been straightened out. The problem remains, but is no longer as severe. My TPS now only fluctuates sometimes, and only 2-4% so about half. I think it may be related to heat on the LC-2 module or the length of the excess wire. I plan on replacing the O2 sensor soon and at the same time I want to move the LC-2 module inside the cabin and completely re-wire it. I will simply cut out any excess wire also so it is only as long as it needs to be.







