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Old 02-01-2012, 02:04 AM   #1
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Default Brain built MS, Added VTPs, No Signal in TS

Hey guys,

I have a brain built ms2, Just added a variable TPS, it works fine, no breaks in the circuit leading back to the factory plug, but I cannot get any signal at all in TS, and even when trying to calibrate TPS I just get 0 and 0.

Any Suggestions?

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Check what ya getting at the harness (remove ECU) and you should have variable resistence from open throttle to closed throttle. Also, are you sure the Brain built ECU has been wired for VTPS - as if he wired it for stock he might/should have put in a resistor to ensure that stock TPS doesn't kill the 5V rail and this would mean the VTPS would be zero/zero.

In fact, if the ecu is powered, the TP in TS should float if the ECU is wired to work with a VTPS. If it sits steady on zero then it is probably (very likely) wired for stock TPS and has the resistors in place etc.

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Since you're noting that you have added a VTPS, I assume you have a '90-'93 car.

In order for the TPS to function, you need two wires running between it and the MS. One is the TPS signal itself, from pin 22 of the MS to the wiper terminal of the TPS.

The other is the +5 supply which the TPS needs to operate. This goes from pin 26 of the MS to the side of the TPS which is opposite ground.

There is no absolute standard for how this is done in a 1.6 MT car, however one wire will go to position 1N of the ECU harness (a red wire) and the other to position 2L (a light green / red wire). If these two wires are reversed (and again, their position is relative to how the TPS itself is wired on the other end) there is some risk of damage to the TPS.


So, details man! What's wired where?
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Ok photos coming, and yes there is a random resister around that circuit.

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I added the orange wire because VREF was wired to 3d.

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****, sorry about the orientation.

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Old 02-01-2012, 04:22 AM   #7
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So is it.... my orange wire to 1N not 1M, and remove the resistor?

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So is it.... my orange wire to 1N not 1M, and remove the resistor?

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Correct. Or just remove your orange wire, and move the black on 3D to 1N. That was the intent of putting the wire there.

Then cut off the resistor. That's holding the signal to ground, otherwise it floats and your TPS constantly increases over time while driving.

You'll wire your vTPS so that the:

5vref wire goes to the RED wire of the tps harness.
Ground goes to the BLK/GREEN wire of the tps harness.
TPS Sig goes to the GREEN/RED wire of the tps harness.
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Thanks brain.

Well I only feel half stupid, Would have figured it out by tomorrow afternoon lol.

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Ok so a few days on and still I cannot get a TPS signal.

I have a working TPS wired DIRECTLY to the board and I still get a count of 0 and 0.

Any suggestions?

I have the wiper wire to SG, and the other 2 are to TPS and VREF.

The resistor has been removed.

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Did you verify your wiring in the engine harness?

it should be this:

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You'll wire your vTPS so that the:

5vref wire goes to the RED wire of the tps harness.
Ground goes to the BLK/GREEN wire of the tps harness.
TPS Sig goes to the GREEN/RED wire of the tps harness.

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I have the wiper wire to SG
It makes me think you wired the TPS signal to ground, thus why it's sitting pretty at 0%. The TPS input is floating, if it's not grounded it will constantly increase in voltage and everytime you click get current it will increase 1 point ever second or so.


What TPS is this exactly?
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Its a TPS from a automatic RB30E, VL commodore.

It works just fine.

I have never ever seen any values other than 0 and 0 when checking TPS, this includes when It had a stock TPS, and with the stock TPS disconnected, and before I modified anything on the board from what you gave it to me as.

What could cause this?


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Also, yes I verified the engine harness, all of my board wiring matches the cars wiring that works.

I mean, I soldered the TPS directly to the board. straight to it with a foot of wires.

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And you've tested that you're getting 0v on the singal wire with no throttle and around 5v on the same wire when you turn the tps fully with a DMM?
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