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Old May 8, 2019 | 12:46 PM
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Here's my actual timing map on stock MK2 1.6 (european). Cannot hear any knock but i have to test further. I'm not sure but seems the engine doesn't feel particulary powerful in high revs and high load...is it for too much or too less timing? VE is good enough, expecially in WOT, to exclude any fuel-related issue. Base timing is properly set. Any advice? Thank you and sorry for my english
Old May 9, 2019 | 04:49 AM
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So for those that do not know about the 1.6 after 1994.
It is a long nose 1.6 like the later 1.6s before the 1.8 was introduced.
It is also 90bhp from the factory and not 116bhp like the pre-1.8 version.

I cannot comment on the map aside from it looking pretty.
Old May 9, 2019 | 05:38 AM
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Originally Posted by rrjwilson
So for those that do not know about the 1.6 after 1994.
It is a long nose 1.6 like the later 1.6s before the 1.8 was introduced.
It is also 90bhp from the factory and not 116bhp like the pre-1.8 version.

I cannot comment on the map aside from it looking pretty.
mm no. to be true, it is a '98 MK2 with 110hp B6. i know it sound strange for americans
Old May 9, 2019 | 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Maestrozen39
mm no. to be true, it is a '98 MK2 with 110hp B6. i know it sound strange for americans
I'm english.
I was unaware of anything other than 90bhp 1.6 that arrived with the 1.8 introduction here.
However according to Parkers guide they made several power changes:
  • 95-98 90bhp
  • 98-01 110bhp
  • 01-05 108bhp
Interesting for me to see this as the last time I bothered looking was when i purchased mine in 2003.
I simply couldn't afford the new ones at that time so never looked and found the 110 version.

Again map looks pretty no idea if it is any good. When the US wakes you will get much better information.
Old May 9, 2019 | 08:17 AM
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I bet it could use some timing in the cruise area
Old May 9, 2019 | 11:24 AM
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FWIW I'm almost 10° more advance in the cruise cells. 2500-4000 RPM, 30-60 kPa, 93 octane. No knock heard on my DIY Det cans. USDM 1.6 though.
Old May 9, 2019 | 03:22 PM
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Ok, more timing in cruise area, for better mileage and gas response. But what about WOT? Today i tried 31 degree from 5200 to 7200, and i'm quite sure that it knocks at 5200. Tomorrow i will try to listen it with the amplifier
Old May 10, 2019 | 09:47 AM
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Today i'm going to test this one
Old May 10, 2019 | 10:22 AM
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..and how are you listening for knock?

You shouldn't be touching the timing map without it being strapped to a dyno. At the very least, you use Det cans to listen for knock while you make small adjustments. Not 10-15° adjustments...
Old May 10, 2019 | 03:10 PM
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I have amplified the oem knock sensor, which i listen with headphones. However, I made those big increases because I was advised to by a skilled person. The car runs much better. Still don't hearing any knock
Old May 10, 2019 | 03:22 PM
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You should be pretty even across the top. Like at redline/100kpa you looked good at 28*, but 21* at 4600 seems low, and that’s right where you typically are when driving on the street.
Old May 11, 2019 | 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by curly
You should be pretty even across the top. Like at redline/100kpa you looked good at 28*, but 21* at 4600 seems low, and that’s right where you typically are when driving on the street.
thank you, but now i have just switched to this entire new table:

Originally Posted by Maestrozen39
Today i'm going to test this one
runs definitely better.
Old May 11, 2019 | 12:04 PM
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Criticize your timing map?
Okay.

It's lazy. It never does the dishes or takes out the trash unless you ask it multiple times.
It's hair is too long, it's room is a mess and it's table manners are atrocious.

Hope this helps.
Old May 11, 2019 | 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by rleete
Criticize your timing map?
Okay.

It's lazy. It never does the dishes or takes out the trash unless you ask it multiple times.
It's hair is too long, it's room is a mess and it's table manners are atrocious.

Hope this helps.
I feel personally attacked.
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