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Old 06-21-2007, 05:21 AM   #21
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Sweet i might have to pick up a palm then.


I might still have mine!!! 10 bucks and its yours
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I will hold you on that if it is true.
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Old 06-21-2007, 09:32 AM   #23
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Yes, you must use a Palm that has a real serial interface, it seems that no one can get the ones with the universal cable to work.

http://www.msefi.com/viewtopic.php?t=17772

Here is a list of Palm devices so you can decide on your own:

http://www.geocities.com/netbrakr/
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So we cant use USB capable palms?
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Old 06-21-2007, 11:01 AM   #25
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Do you have any idea if I can use a serial-->bluetooth adaptor on my MS to communicate with a bluetooth capable palm device?
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Old 06-21-2007, 12:53 PM   #26
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my model is the tungsten E2 with multi connector.

got it for free from a doctor yesterday, so ill give it a try.
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Do you have any idea if I can use a serial-->bluetooth adaptor on my MS to communicate with a bluetooth capable palm device?
As long as you can link the TD signal of one device to the RD input of the other, you might get it to work. The main issue in using the palm is that both the MS and the Palm are DTE devices by default, so you need someway to get them to communicate with each other. I did this by making a null modem connector. I imagine you'd need something similar between MS and the bluetooth adapter, but then I'm not sure the bluetooth would be capable of running to a non-DTE device. Good luck.
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I will hold you on that if it is true.

Its true I just gotta find the SOB!
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From my understanding based on wiring diagrams I have found (don't have a link, search around in the Palm part of the MSEFI forum), you must have a resistor placed across two of the points to enable the palm to enter "serial" mode. Unfortunately, it's not a true serial mode, and when people try to connect it to Megasquirt, it connects/disconnects intermittently, making it impossible to use.

Honestly though, unless you already have one of the Palms that uses a universal cable, you can try, but the older ones are so cheap, its not worth getting a slightly newer one that *may* not work. I originally thought this was a great opportunity for me to finally get a nice PDA, but obviously, my dreams were shot.

I recently bought a Palm IIIxe off eBay with a modem, keyboard, stylus, neoprene case, and hard cover for $12.50. Unless someone else chimes in, I wouldn't get the IIIc, as the screen from what I heard is near impossible to see in daylight, making it useless to tune/datalog with.
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The bit about the IIIc in the daytime is true. I'm only using it because it is what I had sitting around. I put it in the dark passenger footwell, with the real-time display put on the 4-reading mode (so it's big enough to read from the driver's side), but it's not optimal. Datalogging is fine though, because I just use the up/down buttons to stop/start during runs, and don't need the stylus. Then I transfer to the computer later to check it out.
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Old 06-21-2007, 07:01 PM   #31
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Hmm Next choice would be a Palm Vx or V with this guy and I'll get them to cross the pins for me or I'll get a null modem adaptor.

I'd rather spend a couple extra bucks and not have to deal with AAA batteries all the damn time.






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As long as you can link the TD signal of one device to the RD input of the other, you might get it to work. The main issue in using the palm is that both the MS and the Palm are DTE devices by default, so you need someway to get them to communicate with each other. I did this by making a null modem connector. I imagine you'd need something similar between MS and the bluetooth adapter, but then I'm not sure the bluetooth would be capable of running to a non-DTE device. Good luck.
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I have a palm that I never thought I would use. Now I know what I can use it for!
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OK, 4 months later I finally pulled the trigger :gay:
Got (coming) a Handera TRGpro, which is a variant of the Palm IIIxe. From what I can tell, it's a IIIxe with a CF slot on top. Runs on Palm OS 3.5.3, but does NOT seem like it's upgradable to OS 4 like the xe. But obviously will have dramatically more storgage and data transfer abilities with the CF slot. Will advise if it works. Or if it doesn't.

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I'll keep up on this, i have a palm laying around I might want to use for this. Might be too new a model though.
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been running this stuff on the wife's old palm M130 for about 2 months. it's a pain in the *** to configure and learn where all the features are hidden, but after that it's great. I need to figure out which pin on the m130 is the charge pin and how much voltage it puts out so I can charge while in use.
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obviously will have dramatically more storgage and data transfer abilities with the CF slot.
The onboard 8MB has been more than enough for hours and hours of datalogging on my IIIc.
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I really need to try and use my Handspring Visor.....
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hmm, i might have to jump on this bandwagon, too... getting sick of toting around the ancient laptop and power inverter...

anyone figure out the charging via serial?
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Just got a palm from ebay for 20 shipped, now I just need to get off my *** and wire up my MS :gay:
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The onboard 8MB has been more than enough for hours and hours of datalogging on my IIIc.
It's also part of the lazy factor: I can just move the card between computer and palm. Anyway, thought it was cool, and it was only $23 delivered.
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