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Old 08-07-2008, 02:01 PM   #1
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Hey you guys,

FINALLY I'm spuirting !

My setup: Megassquirt 2 (DIY) Extra. Totally stocks sensors including cas 4/1.

The story: It took quite some time finding the problem, why I wasen't getting any RPM reading while cranking. I've used the mod's with the two opto isolator.

The video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8f1Hr5IN30

Note: That was really the first start, nothing tuned so far - just the very basic sensors connected. I was supprised that it did acutally run at all, since there was no useful MAP sensor reading.

I'm of for tuning now ;-)

Greetz from Germany.

Clemens
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Old 08-07-2008, 02:18 PM   #2
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needs less video and more write-up. and more CLT temps.
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Old 08-08-2008, 04:47 AM   #3
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Braineack, you're right.
I was going to give you guys a little write-up since I've had a hard time figuring out the problem myself.
First of all let me appologies for my rotten english ;-)

I am going to upload some pictures of all the mod and the megasquirt maybe this evening, since I have to first some good looking once done before. For now I've taken the libary to use some of the pictures coming from the MS2Extra homepage and modefied them.

This applies only for the Megasquirt 2.0 on a V 3.0 PCB running MS2Extra Code.


THE PROBLEM: I was getting no RMP signal while cranking, so obiously MS wasen't even trying to trigger the coils. The output mod as exactly the same as on MS I (see Braineack's write-up).
For the input mod I've refered to the MS2Extra Homepage and the CAS 4/1 mod. (Actually it's the same as the CAS 4/2 mod).

THE CORE: The ms cpu needs to see the same polarity for both signals- CKP & CMP in order to read a valid RPM signal.
It WON'T WORK with just the CKP (primary tach signal). Since the primary tach input (HALL) from the PCB uses the opto isolator (U3) the signal comming in is going to be inverted.
As an conclusion the signal read from the second tach input needs to be inverted too in order to work. The opto isolator that you need to install in the proto area is doing this job for you, while at the same time protecting your CPU input.

Alright, let's first have a look at the input circuit of the PCB (U3 opto isolator)

Notice the way the output of U3 are hooked up.

Let's have a look at the input mod for the cas 4/2 sensor.

Notice the pin (5) on the lower right hand site of the 4n25. That's part of the output to the processor.

Now take a close look at the curcuit for cas 4/1 input mod.


BINGO: There you go, ... you see that one of the output pins from the 4n25 is described wrong (6) you would first need to change that to pin 5. Still there is another error. Noticed the 1k resistor on the signal line going towards the MSII CPU. Go ahead an remove it, since the MSII daughter card has this 1K resistor allready on it.

Those are the two big problems I was dealing with the hole time

You can go ahead and check what you've done by powering up MS (with stim). Using a multimeter messure between ground and JS10. You should be able to get a good 5V reading. Now ground the input line from the secondary tach input (SPR1 from your CAS) you should now get a close to 0V reading.

Do the same on the primary tach input to make sure the input mods are correct. Then set the trigger in megatune to "falling edge".

Like I said, I will do a complete write-up(tutorial) if nessesary. But I guess the little hints I trew should get you back on the track.

Hope that helps a little.
Greetz from Germany,
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Old 08-08-2008, 10:05 AM   #4
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You might want to email them or post this on the MSextra forums. I think they would want to know if there docs were wrong.
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You might want to email them or post this on the MSextra forums. I think they would want to know if there docs were wrong.
Hey Justin,

mail was already on the way ;-)

Thank you guys at DIY-Autotune. I've got all my stuff from you guys and you're really doing an awesome job !!!

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First of all let me appologies for my rotten english ;-)
I love when non-native english speakers apologize for poor english and then go on to speak and/or write it better than a great many people who've been using it for their entire lives.
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