Tuner Studios DIYmsPNP Timing Question
04-22-2011, 02:33 PM
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Tuner Studios DIYmsPNP Timing Question
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I about to go attempt to get my 91 stock miata (except for the wideband LC1) started with the DIYmsPNP that I built, but I have a few questions regarding timing. Firstly, I didn't see a write up similar to Brian's regarding setting base timing. In tuner studios, does "trigger angle/offset" provide the same function as "Trigger Angle (deg)" in megatune? That is, do I fix the timing at 10 degrees, then adjust the "trigger angle/offset" to get the car to 10 deg.
My second question is regarding the "spark output". The basemap I downloaded from DIY uses "Going High (Inverted)", but I thought I read elsewhere that I should use "Going Low (normal)" when using the stock igniters? I have the stock igniters, but the car for basemap I downloaded supposedly uses stock compatible igniters. Thanks for your help!
I about to go attempt to get my 91 stock miata (except for the wideband LC1) started with the DIYmsPNP that I built, but I have a few questions regarding timing. Firstly, I didn't see a write up similar to Brian's regarding setting base timing. In tuner studios, does "trigger angle/offset" provide the same function as "Trigger Angle (deg)" in megatune? That is, do I fix the timing at 10 degrees, then adjust the "trigger angle/offset" to get the car to 10 deg.
My second question is regarding the "spark output". The basemap I downloaded from DIY uses "Going High (Inverted)", but I thought I read elsewhere that I should use "Going Low (normal)" when using the stock igniters? I have the stock igniters, but the car for basemap I downloaded supposedly uses stock compatible igniters. Thanks for your help!
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04-22-2011, 04:24 PM
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http://www.diyautotune.com/tech_arti...ing_how_to.htm
My second question is regarding the "spark output". The basemap I downloaded from DIY uses "Going High (Inverted)", but I thought I read elsewhere that I should use "Going Low (normal)" when using the stock igniters? I have the stock igniters, but the car for basemap I downloaded supposedly uses stock compatible igniters. Thanks for your help!
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04-22-2011, 04:30 PM
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Well, it started but didn't run. I attached my datalog of starting. The engine quit after about 2 seconds. A few things though:
1) even though I know not to do this, and I wrote a not to not do this, I still forgot to remove the stig sig fuse initially. Took about 2 seconds to realize this, after powering up the ms. No idea if I'm totally porked or not now, though it did start after I removed the fuse (after messing with timing).
2) I was trying to cheat and not install the GM IAT and hope that it would be okay. Maybe that was the problem, so, I started to try to wire that bad larry in. Unfortunately, my MAF has a 7 pin connector on it, no idea why.
In the DIY write up it says to use pins 3 and 4. In my wiring diagram for a 91-93 miata, assuming the pin numbers go from left to right, I'd use the light green/red wire and the black/light green wire??
1) even though I know not to do this, and I wrote a not to not do this, I still forgot to remove the stig sig fuse initially. Took about 2 seconds to realize this, after powering up the ms. No idea if I'm totally porked or not now, though it did start after I removed the fuse (after messing with timing).
2) I was trying to cheat and not install the GM IAT and hope that it would be okay. Maybe that was the problem, so, I started to try to wire that bad larry in. Unfortunately, my MAF has a 7 pin connector on it, no idea why.
In the DIY write up it says to use pins 3 and 4. In my wiring diagram for a 91-93 miata, assuming the pin numbers go from left to right, I'd use the light green/red wire and the black/light green wire??
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04-22-2011, 04:39 PM
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well you killed the fuel pump driver.
you must jump fp and gnd in the diagnostics box in order for the car to run now. and need to replace the tip125 on the high side driver circuit in the meantime.
you must jump fp and gnd in the diagnostics box in order for the car to run now. and need to replace the tip125 on the high side driver circuit in the meantime.
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04-22-2011, 06:10 PM
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That got me running again. Thanks. Unfortunately, it runs WAY better without the MAP connected. The diyautotune site didn't say that their basemap was using anything other than the mpx4250, but I guess it wouldn't hurt to calibrate the MAP just in case.
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04-22-2011, 07:36 PM
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The base map doesn't do that? I calibrated the coolant sensor anyway, and loaded the calibration for the mpx4250, but that didn't help. Still haven't figured out how to wire the GM sensor in. I need a better wiring diagram for my car. On the DIYautotune website, it shows a 5 pin connector for the MAF, I have a 7 pin, so I'm not sure which pins are the temp sensor yet.
It still runs better without the MAP connected. As soon as I connect it, the AFR readings go EXTREMELY lean, as in low 20's. Actually RPMs pick up first, it sounds real smooth, then it drops down to 600-750 rpm, and AFR's go nuts.
Any suggestions? Who else has a 7 pin connector on their MAF?
It still runs better without the MAP connected. As soon as I connect it, the AFR readings go EXTREMELY lean, as in low 20's. Actually RPMs pick up first, it sounds real smooth, then it drops down to 600-750 rpm, and AFR's go nuts.
Any suggestions? Who else has a 7 pin connector on their MAF?
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04-22-2011, 08:14 PM
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Nope. I used the 240cc, req_fuel is 11.2. I'm wondering if the fact that I'm not using my IAT properly is screwing me over. It reads 70deg F when nothing is connected, but it's much closer to 50deg F. That would make it run lean, I think, but I don't think it would make it run that lean would it?
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04-22-2011, 08:49 PM
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Finally found a diagram for the correct wiring for the IAT with a 7 pin connector (pins 1 and 5, or the red with green strip and large black wire with a green strip). That didn't solve my issue though. Oh, and my IAC is very loud when the key is in RUN for some reason. Is this normal? Should it be trying to operate while the engine is not running?
I attached my .msq and 2 logs, one with the MAP one without. If you have a chance, I'd appreciate any feedback. Thanks.
I attached my .msq and 2 logs, one with the MAP one without. If you have a chance, I'd appreciate any feedback. Thanks.
Last edited by kjoudrey; 04-22-2011 at 08:55 PM. Reason: Added info on IAC
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04-23-2011, 10:13 AM
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Is it a problem if my ECU definition in Tuner Studios is "MS2extra Serial310" but the basemap I am using is "MS2Extra Rel 3.0.3s"? So far the only difference I notice when loading it with the Serial310 is that there is a PWM setting of "Leave Valve Closed above (RPM)" currently set to 1500, where as I did not see that setting when I load the msq with tunerstudios assuming the 3.0.3s release.
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04-23-2011, 12:18 PM
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Brain, you might have been on to something with the required fuel question. When I bump the required fuel up to 15, it idles, pretty damn smoothly actually. There are still plenty of issues though, for instance, once the IAC valve goes to 15 steps, then my idle jumps up to about 1400 rpm. I think I've gotta figure that out next.
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04-23-2011, 05:37 PM
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I have a MS2 running the same basemap, it ran horribly lean with a req fuel of 11.2.
Got considerably better at 13, this was verified with 2 different widebands.
I double checked this with my old MS1 chip too. A lot leaner with same req fuel and ve values. Maybe the MS2 calculates fuel loads differently?
I just figured Australian air needed more fuel
Got considerably better at 13, this was verified with 2 different widebands.
I double checked this with my old MS1 chip too. A lot leaner with same req fuel and ve values. Maybe the MS2 calculates fuel loads differently?
I just figured Australian air needed more fuel
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04-23-2011, 05:43 PM
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I ended up using 12.7 and richening my VE table at idle. Now it looks like I have IAC troubles. Did you have to change any PWM settings for your idle control over the basemap?
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04-23-2011, 09:01 PM
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Hornetball's Writeup
Made the most sense to me and got my idle running well.
I ended up with 12 degrees at idle with 16 a/c advance.
I ended up with 15% idle base and relatively small pwm settings of 8, 16, 0.
Made the most sense to me and got my idle running well.
I ended up with 12 degrees at idle with 16 a/c advance.
I ended up with 15% idle base and relatively small pwm settings of 8, 16, 0.
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