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Where can I pull power so the wideband will not reset every time I crank the car?

Old Jan 21, 2010 | 09:14 PM
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Right now im pulling power from the little blue plug under the hood on the drivers side.

Every time iIstart the car, the wideband resets, showing my AFR as 8 for a few seconds as it warms up when im trying to figure out the afr when cranking
Old Jan 21, 2010 | 09:18 PM
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Get your volt meter out and start testing wires....but dont just tap wires off the ignition to power the wideband, you'd be asking for trouble. Have that lead control a relay with power coming from the battery.
Old Jan 21, 2010 | 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Dlaitini
Right now im pulling power from the little blue plug under the hood on the drivers side.

Every time iIstart the car, the wideband resets, showing my AFR as 8 for a few seconds as it warms up when im trying to figure out the afr when cranking
Just turn the electrical on for a few seconds before you start the engine.
Old Jan 21, 2010 | 09:22 PM
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The ecu, fuel, ign and starter circuits do NOT lose power during cranking.
Old Jan 21, 2010 | 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by m2cupcar
The ecu, fuel, ign and starter circuits do NOT lose power during cranking.
Don't use the starter circuit....then it'd only be on during cranking.....ecu or fuel is your best bet


I think I used the fuel pump lead to switch my relay....heres what it looks like...the blue 8ga wire is coming from the battery and then goes to one side of the distribution block (yes I know its not attached in this pic). The other side of the distribution block I used for my grounds. Just to give you an idea

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Old Jan 22, 2010 | 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Cspence
Don't use the starter circuit....then it'd only be on during cranking...
Not so direct run to the +

but I should have said starting, as in leads from the ignition switch that provide power to those items that need to be on during cranking- like the igniter, coil... though I used the ecu lead for my wb also.
Old Jan 22, 2010 | 11:32 AM
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Is it an LC-1?

In Logworks you can see text info on the guage as you crank such as 'warm up', [low voltage' etc. The LC-1 requires a min supply voltage of 9v. During cranking, especially if your cranking for excessive periods of time and are trying to dial in cranking PWs you will likely get the error code. Your voltage is probably dropping below the 9v min and the LC-1 throws a heater calibration error as it's trying to warm-up. Mine displays the 'low voltage' message just as the engine catches.

It happens with mine every so often and it's wired to the stock ECU 12v supply - LC-1 error code 4 IIRC.
Old Jan 22, 2010 | 11:42 AM
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my LC-1 gets power from the blue connector too and has been working fine since
Old Jan 22, 2010 | 01:11 PM
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Absolute best way to wire an LC-1 IMO:



Or, if you have a PNP, cut the stock harness and wire it in there (I've done this as well). The ECU gets a nice filtered 12v that is constant through cranking. Also, by wiring in all of the grounds at one point shared by the ECU, it does away with all of those nasty ground offset problems people complain of.
Old Jan 22, 2010 | 01:17 PM
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I pulled my power right off the ECU power. And I grounded everything right on the chassis where the ecu mounts to the floorboard. Never failed me with the multiple iterations of my car.
Old Jan 22, 2010 | 02:56 PM
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Just to let you know, the LC-1 will still "reset" because of the low voltage (E-9) and will require reheating again. Sure, not from 0% but it won't work if you plan to check your AFR during cranking.

Jim
Old Jan 22, 2010 | 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Reverant
Just to let you know, the LC-1 will still "reset" because of the low voltage (E-9) and will require reheating again. Sure, not from 0% but it won't work if you plan to check your AFR during cranking.

Jim
I agree. I've never seen an LC-1 that doesn't flash for a few seconds after the engine has caught. Impossible to log AFRs during cranking unless you remote it via alternative power sources.
Old Jan 22, 2010 | 10:11 PM
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This may be a silly question, but why would you want to try to measure AFR while cranking?

I mean its just going to be air and some unburned fuel coming out the exhaust which will probably read lean anyways.
Old Jan 24, 2010 | 01:56 PM
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MAF power, or ECU power.
Old Jan 24, 2010 | 02:40 PM
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Not from the ECU. If the LC-1 shorts, it will blow the ECU fuse and the car will stop dead on its tracks. Get power from the main fuse with an extra relay switched on by the ECU, with a 5A fuse.

Jim
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Sorry for the bump, but which color wire on the ecu harness is constant 12v?
Old Apr 10, 2010 | 04:42 AM
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nevermind found it. blue/red
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