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Old 04-05-2017, 12:35 PM
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I have a 03 with ms3 from braineack. I have had a tuner come out to the car 4 times now. Every time he came we only got so far because I had to fix certain issues before we tried again... 1. Bad wideband o2 2. Downpipe was too short 3. Fuel injectors 4. Boost leaks. After fixing every little leak possible, it holds 25psi with no leaks at all. There are no exhaust/wastegate leaks either. Its externally gated. No leaks there. Wastegate was bench tested and opens at 7 ish lbs. That being said... it has never even opened. The cars runs good. AFRs are good at idle and at cruise. Under throttle it is fine as well but under "full" throttle it will shoot for 13-14.7 AFRs. It's like the car is N/A 😥. No matter what RPM it's at it pegs at 4psi and stays there. Would AFRs too "lean" under throttle (13-14.7) be a cause of no more than 4psi?

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Which turbo? How is your wastegate hooked up? What kind of boost controller?

Are you sure your tuner is qualified?
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What turbo?
What wastegate?
post a log....
Pictures would be nice....
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The wastegate is hooked up directly to the end of the compressor housing. No boost controller just spring pressure. I even disconnected it completely to see if it would budge over 4. Nothing still. I'll post a log when I get home. It's 57trim w/ .63a/r. The tuner has a good reputation in the community knows a lot about megasquirt.
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I know that turbo is too big, I have a gt28 standing by. Just wanted to see if I could get this to work. Is the motor to small to spool this up? I doubt that's the issue ...
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What spring pressure?

Is there a spring in the wastegate?

Has it ever made more than 4psi? What did the tuner say.
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catted? clogged cat?

also 14.7 @ 4psi is way too lean
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put the wastegate line on the upper port to really test...

that will ensure the boost pressure pushes back down on the wastegate spring and it should never open. proceed with caution.
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No cat, it's free flowing. And brain wouldn't it be the same as just disconnecting it? I have overboost set to 10 so should be ok.
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No cat, it's free flowing. And brain wouldn't it be the same as just disconnecting it? I have overboost set to 10 so should be ok.
No. Disconnected you are relying on spring pressure
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What? If it's not reading any boost... it won't open at regardless of spring pressure.
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If your wastegate has a shitty spring it will get blown open.
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here's another thought, are you using a water jack port and not a boost port?


exhaust pressure can overload the spring pressure and push it open and divert turbine. if you plumb boost to top, that boost pressure will exhort extra force and hold the spring closed -- and major boost will ensue.
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Ya I'll try that when I get back. I will say though I can't even push it open with my hand. Not sure how strong mani pressure is but... ill send the boost to the top to hold it shut and see. Another side note... when I look in the dump tube there is absolutely 0 sign of any exhaust ever running through it
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What injectors?
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Had 550s in there but took them out and went back to stock
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You are probably running out of fuel. That could be why it goes lean, and that could be why it wont build boost.

Who is your tuner? I'd like to know so I know who to never let tune my car....
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wait...........you're trying to test that turbo on stock injectors?

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... test... not go all out. 264s should handle more than 4lbs. So no that's not the case. I had 550s and same thing... now your crazy if your gonna say 550s is no good for more than 4lbs 🙃
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Originally Posted by 1stgen<3
... test... not go all out. 264s should handle more than 4lbs. So no that's not the case. I had 550s and same thing... now your crazy if your gonna say 550s is no good for more than 4lbs ��
Pretty silly/dumb equating pressure with flow, so maybe you should learn how that works

It's counter productive to get defensive and cocky when asking for help, especially on a forum where we can't see all the mistakes or issues with your car and taking your word for mechanical soundness of the work.

*edit: richen it up and at least eliminate that variable.

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