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Old 04-01-2007, 01:26 PM   #1
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Default Anyone usuing stock fuel with meth to go over 250whp?

I know I'm a noob to the forum,

But I have been building meth kits for years.

I went 421rwhp and 419rwtq on a dynojet with my mr2 on stock 440cc injectors/stock ecu and pump gass...no tuning just my meth system usuing a m15 jet. this was done with a 46trim turbo ran unlimited boost(boost gauge only went to 35psi)

I just couldnt find anyone running just meth for their fuel/timming/intercooling needs.

I am curious to see how you guys do it here

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I went 421rwhp and 419rwtq on a dynojet with my mr2 on stock 440cc injectors/stock ecu and pump gass...no tuning just my meth system usuing a m15 jet. this was done with a 46trim turbo ran unlimited boost(boost gauge only went to 35psi)
Ok im sorry man , i just cant help but feel that you are trying real hard to show off. We get lots of noobs who do that sorta crap around here and nobody likes em because usually they dont know crap and they try to sound like they do.

Anyway, I dont know of anyone who is using pure meth injection around here. I also dont know of anyone running that high of boost. I suppose it is possible though. Most of our guys seem to run water/methanol mixtures and add extra fuel with some sort of engine management system like EMU, Link, AEM, MEgasquirt, ETC
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Sorry man i only made 200 whp with mine that was about the limit. Our injectors are just to small with some supra 330's and rx7 afm and abit more boost i made about 250 guestimated never got a good dyno run on that one. 12 psi DD till a clogged jet owned cyliner number 2 i sugesst you dont work you turbo so hard on a miata 30+ psi and only 250 whp is stupid. when if you pick a biger turbo it can be done in 8-10 psi. Hope fully once i get my MS put in i will shoot for 300whp on some 460's and 15-17 psi. hope this helps.
BTW you must have not looked to hard i have 2343 posts here about how i use WI only and no timming controller FMIC etc, on stock ecu
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Old 04-01-2007, 02:23 PM   #4
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I am sorry that you feel that way.

Please check these pictures and see what I'm about to the bottom
http://beta.propichosting.com/Album....lder=450019310

I get flown around the caribbean to build mr2's

Here is my last mr2 the one I did all the pump gass magic on
http://beta.propichosting.com/Album....lder=450015598

Used to work for www.koracing.net I did R&D on the side for them, that is how I got into working contact builds

Pictures of my bedroom and garage
http://beta.propichosting.com/Album.aspx?folder=501601

Pics of my vortech powered yota and my meth dsm in the background
http://beta.propichosting.com/Album.aspx?folder=5102323

I can keep going, I have played with everything under the sun from sr20's to 1 and 2j's, and now its time to push the bottle on the miata because I cant find anyone else who has.

BTW I was considering making a jumper harness for my old mr2 aem box to work on the miata, but I am always looking for ways to make life easier for the average consumer. And that red mr2 you see me under went [email protected] at St. Croix raceway on pump gass stock engine and meth, but yet again what do I know I'm a stupid noob

I was hoping to have someone with information pertaining to my question post back, but thanks for your opinion

Cheers
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Hey i posted so what would you like to know? Ive seen and read talked with alot of high HP miata guys 400+whp has been done over and over.
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Sorry man i only made 200 whp with mine that was about the limit. Our injectors are just to small with some supra 330's and rx7 afm and abit more boost i made about 250 guestimated never got a good dyno run on that one. 12 psi DD till a clogged jet owned cyliner number 2 i sugesst you dont work you turbo so hard on a miata 30+ psi and only 250 whp is stupid. when if you pick a biger turbo it can be done in 8-10 psi. Hope fully once i get my MS put in i will shoot for 300whp on some 460's and 15-17 psi. hope this helps.
BTW you must have not looked to hard i have 2343 posts here about how i use WI only and no timming controller FMIC etc, on stock ecu

I do not plan to run anywhere near those boost levels on this engine, I am quite sure with a EvO 16g at 15-19psi I will be rolling well. I am going to order a set of arps for her, but with pure meth my intake temps should be in the 70's-80's and I should be able to get some serious fueling usuing either a staged system with 2 m10's or maybe a progressive solonid with an m15

thank you for your insight, and I didnt search WI i put in meth

Water is a great detonation supression tool, however meth works wonders for an easy fueling solution
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Sorry man i only made 200 whp with mine that was about the limit. Our injectors are just to small with some supra 330's and rx7 afm and abit more boost i made about 250 guestimated never got a good dyno run on that one. 12 psi DD till a clogged jet owned cyliner number 2 i sugesst you dont work you turbo so hard on a miata 30+ psi and only 250 whp is stupid. when if you pick a biger turbo it can be done in 8-10 psi. Hope fully once i get my MS put in i will shoot for 300whp on some 460's and 15-17 psi. hope this helps.
BTW you must have not looked to hard i have 2343 posts here about how i use WI only and no timming controller FMIC etc, on stock ecu
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Hey i posted so what would you like to know? Ive seen and read talked with alot of high HP miata guys 400+whp has been done over and over.

Na dude your post was point on, I wrote that while you posted yours.

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I run a simple kit with 176cc at 70 psi nozzle and 30% methanol and 100 psi pump pressure. have been thinking about a staged injection with seperate nozzle. I didnt see alot of difference with 40-50% meth levels and since i was already below ambient while in boost most of the time i figured all was well you might consider water to add more ballast and spool your turbo, it helps. This baord oves quickly man gotta be on your toes . GL lemme know if you run into any snags etc and i will see what i can do.
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Hey i posted so what would you like to know? Ive seen and read talked with alot of high HP miata guys 400+whp has been done over and over.

I cant pm yet bro, not enough posts

The reason I only made those numbers with that level of boost, is the 3sgte have horrible VE, the stock cams and ports suck. Even with cams they dont flow, and I was on a 46trim turbo, which the highest hp prior to me was only 375 on an mr2.

Where the extra boost came into play was the torque, I was able to cool the intake charge so much, I could run way out of compressor efficency and still make good torque.

that turbo used to surge like all hell on my car
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I bet dude i am all in favor of slightly over sizing the turbo to the car. This way you can down play your usage in Liters/mile cuase less heat obviusly means you need less meth and or h2o
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I run a simple kit with 176cc at 70 psi nozzle and 30% methanol and 100 psi pump pressure. have been thinking about a staged injection with seperate nozzle. I didnt see alot of difference with 40-50% meth levels and since i was already below ambient while in boost most of the time i figured all was well you might consider water to add more ballast and spool your turbo, it helps. This baord oves quickly man gotta be on your toes . GL lemme know if you run into any snags etc and i will see what i can do.
Which pumps are you usuing?

I get my pumps from english racing, and they are a pimped out shurflow, with well over 250psi.

www.rrevmotorsports.com used to use the fjo meth pumps until they saw my hose fly off my jet during a dyno pull and my A/F's went well below 9's due to a 4 foot stream of meth flying into my intake.

I cant believe we didnt have a fire
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i use a sureflow pump. but only the 150psi modle :( it came from snow but is essentialy the same as you get with the devils own or ebay kits. 170 $ will get you in on the GB the site you gave has no WI products listed still it does have some nice info. thanks for the new parts source
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i use a sureflow pump. but only the 150psi modle :( it came from snow but is essentialy the same as you get with the devils own or ebay kits. 170 $ will get you in on the GB the site you gave has no WI products listed still it does have some nice info. thanks for the new parts source
rrev is my buddies company

english racing is http://www.englishracing.net/

my buddy lucas english owns this shop he is a meth wizzard, runs consistant low 10's on his pump gass dsm

oh and if you needs parts, www.horsepowerfreaks.com is a good source, my buddy Chris Burgman has great hookups with aem and many other reps so he generally has some of the best pricing you will find. I remember when HPF was ran out of his garage....like 10 years ago

best of all

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sweet Meth **** source thanks now that site has some good stuff for WI.
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Looks like you really know your stuff, welcome. Didnt mean to come off as snippy, but I read your post not knowing who you were, so it sounded a bit pretentious. Running that high of boost with just meth injection is plain nuts, got a dyno chart?
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Looks like you really know your stuff, welcome. Didnt mean to come off as snippy, but I read your post not knowing who you were, so it sounded a bit pretentious. Running that high of boost with just meth injection is plain nuts, got a dyno chart?
I understand man, i wasnt trying to sound cocky, but wanted to make sure I got to talk with people who are in the know...not guys who just use it and have no clue what they are doing...

I can see if i can dig up some dynos...I have owned over 80 rigs and I'm 22...i flip over 1/2 of them but a good amount I play with so I may have to access rrev's database to get my old plots

my 1st red mr2 picked up 300ftlbs in [email protected] rpms will wake up a 50trim with 25lbs its a verticle line right up

I'll get you a few

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