Socals14

Mounted...

skylinecalvin

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Local welders (even small ones) charge a minimum $20 fee to even pick up their welder. I won't ask somebody to weld it for free as I don't believe in taking free work unless I'm paying them for something else. This was in the past of course before I learned to weld. I figured others are in the same situation I used to be before I learned to weld, where they neither knew how to nor knows somebody that can. Either way, that kind of looks like *** when for $10 more, I could get a proper stud.

CasualSpeed

I am interested in the stainless steel product.

Socals14

You wanna run a bead around two bolts heads, be my guest. It's painted, strong, and it works. It was free...I had the bolts and my neighbor had 5 minutes.We had a beer while it cooled.

brainzata

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You want the knock sensor touching the block not on a huge spacer, that's going to change reaction time and frequency. I want the best protection so a custom $25 stud is worth it to me. Make some in stainless and list 25 qty on ebay. Other car models require the same stud we need.

Socals14

Works just fine. My car runs full knock protection. KISS.

HarryB

Somebody has mentioned timeserts as a viable solution too. I would (will) use a stud, as it gives the option to go back to the OEM M10 knock sensor anytime I want to.

Cutthroat912

Put me down for one if it's not too late.

Ryan5405

I'll take one too.

Spaceman Spiff

In which case put me down for 1.

zephyrusaurai

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Sign me up for one as well.

thebaseisdown

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I'll take one if available

DNMakinson

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If I may.…. Please tell me the virtues of the Bosch over the OEM sensor.

DNM

Spaceman Spiff

My understanding is that sensor on the original NB is rather old school and of low quality ("resonant type") compared to what is offered on modern engines ("broadband" type. Some call "non-resonant", but really it just operates @ << than the sensor resonant freq. so you're always in the linear-ish, low-freq "tail"). At least for the Bosch motorsports series sensors, (I just purchased the second-to-newest generation; KS4-R/P) the main selling points are:

• Low change in sensitivity over the lifetime of the sensor (datasheet max -17%)
• low change in sensitivity with respect to temperature (mV/g/degC)
• ruggedized sensor with high temp/vibration limits
• most importantly, highly linear response and large dynamic range (KS4-R I just bought is 3 to 25 kHz whereas many older sensors only measure ~6 kHz. Makes closed loop knock tuning, especially if looking at a large freq. range, much easier as your threshold can be sufficiently tight throughout the measurement window of the ECU so you're not over-reacting or letting actual knock by. Ex. from newest gen KS4-R2)

So the trade off here is essentially that you need more expensive (through the lens of mid 90s-early 00s computing tech that went into the NB) broadband instrument amplifiers to bring the mV-scale signal up to the level of the ADC and much more computationally expensive digital signal processing to window the input signal with respect to cam/crank angle (i.e. what cylinder/when) and FFT or otherwise analyze/filter it's frequency components, but in turn the amount of information you have to work with is hugely more significant ( ~ 25 mV/g from 3-25 kHz vs. FWHM of ~ 1 V/g from ~6.75-7.25 kHz). I believe this Delphi sensor (originally on a Saturn?) is similar if not the same as the stock NB sensor but I could be wrong.



TL;DR: if you have an ECU with knock signal amplification and more advanced signal processing than ~MS2 era crap, buy a broadband knock sensor (bosch motorsports ones just also came on some cars OEM so low cost and are rated for the application).

I wasn't super keen on getting the sensor connector to fit down there and picked up a used (salvage vehicle [Quattraporte V6]) KS4-R (flying lead version) off eBay for ~$30 recently. No reason to go old school if the good stuff is the same price ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

deezums

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MS2 didn't have knock detection, they had a microphone. MS3's implementation is using tech older than a NB2 would have no "full" use of a wide frequency knock sensor since it sets and forgets the filters and gains. They cannot be changed on the fly.

Spaceman Spiff

Good to know, never got around to playing with knock when I briefly had an MS3. Suppose the real answer is rather ECU dependent then.

deezums

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https://frsport.com/products/shift-k...tainless-steel

I found that, might be able to cut it down, glue it in place. Sit the sensor directly against the block?

msmola2002

From what reading I did a while ago, you could drill or ream your sensor out to 10mm, the hpacademy guys hadn't had any issues doing that. Another solution was a helicoil in 8x 1.25 apparently snugs in.

but for an easy button, I'll still take one of these when they are made cos I am inestimably lazy and am down for an idiotproof solution.

6monther

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For the morons among us, what does this all mean for those with MS3 of some form. Meaningfully improved knock detection for cheap parts that an experienced tuner can program relatively easily? Or something less useful when it's all said and done?

deezums

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Do you have the ability to measure the frequency off the sensor in realtime? If not, I'd stick with the stock resonant sensor, else finding the knock frequency is going to be a fun time. Look at the response of the plots posted already, the resonant type gives 66 times more signal at ~6K than the wideband. If 6K is the knock frequency, that's the one you want.

Haltech will let me log all frequencies off the sensor in realtime via a scope, while adding a button to temporally advance into knock, hopefully. With a wideband knock sensor I'd be able to set it's filter frequency higher or lower than 6K if needed. If it were 6K, I'd probably switch back to the resonant type, because it naturally filters noise a hell of a lot better.