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TheBandit 03-19-2019 07:23 PM

Yossi - Just to clarify I didn't file a "claim" against you. I called PayPal to see what they suggested based on the timeline, monetary amount and minimal communication with no firm commitment on shipping lead time. They then recommended and filed what they call a "dispute" which allows open communication with them being in the loop. They offered and I declined to file a "claim" which basically requires you to send them tracking information ASAP or the funds would be returned.

I'm not trying to instigate conflict, but I haven't heard anything from you in two weeks. The last communication we had didn't have a firm shipping lead time which I had asked for several times. If you had communicated that these motors weren't ready to ship and required 3+ weeks in this ad or when I asked via PM several times, my expectation would be much different. I'm trying to help out a friend locally who spun a bearing and wants to start participating at local autox events and maybe keep an extra for myself.

As a point of clarification I do ship internationally. I also work a day job that ships devices the size of a plane fuselage both domestically and internationally. I do have a general understanding of getting large things from place to place and I appreciate you taking care in shipping these items. But as you said yesterday (admittedly I didn't see your post until today after speaking with PayPal) you've barely started working on crating these engines. To that point, it shouldn't be my responsibility to chase down an old thread to get an update when I've asked several time directly.

As long as we can get things rolling I don't foresee things escalating any further.

vteckiller2000 03-19-2019 07:25 PM

I can think of many other people who should be posting about insufficient follow up, missed due dates and lack of communication...

TheBandit 03-19-2019 07:27 PM


Originally Posted by Ryan_G (Post 1527276)

Thanks for lookup. I never said or implied it wasn't more difficult to ship overseas. There are extra steps that have to be taken, without a doubt. That being said I didn't take Yossi's money until logistics were determined.


Originally Posted by Scaxx (Post 1527269)
Bro. If it was a problem, why did you wait this long to reach out and ask about them? Yossi has been more than responsive to all my PMs and been a joy to work with.

I messaged Yossi several times trying to get a firm ship date, to which his replies were generally "I'm working on it" or "I'll get it out soon". I didn't expect next day shipment, but I certainly didn't expect 3-weeks before shipment either.


Originally Posted by vteckiller2000 (Post 1527280)
I can think of many other people who should be posting about insufficient follow up, missed due dates and lack of communication...

I can only speak from my experience, and I have nothing to gain from making enemies. I hope this all moves forward to a happy ending.

vteckiller2000 03-19-2019 07:40 PM


Originally Posted by TheBandit
I messaged Yossi several times trying to get a firm ship date, to which his replies were generally "I'm working on it" or "I'll get it out soon". I didn't expect next day shipment, but I certainly didn't expect 3-weeks before shipment either.

Perhaps the group buy for engines costing half (or less) than market USA price may not have been the best place to shop for an engine someone local needs NOW.


Originally Posted by TheBandit
I can only speak from my experience, and I have nothing to gain from making enemies. I hope this all moves forward to a happy ending.

Same, I am still waiting for a response from you from 2017 regarding reroute spacer thickness which rendered my reroute essentially unusable because no radiator hose could fit between the outlet and the coolant plug. A moot point now functionally, but relevant to this discussion.

concealer404 03-19-2019 07:54 PM

I remember ordering that specific spacer and not receiving any sort of communication from the seller until after the scheduled delivery date had come and gone. At which point, communication was driven by ME reaching out to the seller for an update, not the seller contacting me out of the blue volunteering information.

I do love me some good ironing.

TheBandit 03-19-2019 07:57 PM


Originally Posted by vteckiller2000 (Post 1527285)
Perhaps the group buy for engines costing half (or less) than market USA price may not have been the best place to shop for an engine someone local needs NOW.



Same, I am still waiting for a response from you from 2017 regarding reroute spacer thickness which rendered my reroute essentially unusable because no radiator hose could fit between the outlet and the coolant plug. A moot point now functionally, but relevant to this discussion.

A group buy in which I literally was the "group". As I mentioned in the above reply, I didn't expect next day delivery. I did however expect communication of a ship date within a week of payment.

I replied to your spacer thickness issue with a product revision and an offer to swap out existing products for a new version.

https://www.miataturbo.net/miata-par...9/#post1412476

TheBandit 03-19-2019 08:03 PM


Originally Posted by concealer404 (Post 1527288)
I remember ordering that specific spacer and not receiving any sort of communication from the seller until after the scheduled delivery date had come and gone. At which point, communication was driven by ME reaching out to the seller for an update, not the seller contacting me out of the blue volunteering information.

I do love me some good ironing.

I'm sorry to hear you had anything other than a completely satisfactory experience. As this has been some time ago I can only try to comb through the messages/threads to see what happened.

vteckiller2000 03-19-2019 08:06 PM


Originally Posted by TheBandit (Post 1527290)
I replied to your spacer thickness issue with a product revision and an offer to swap out existing products for a new version.

You replied to anyone reading your thread, which I was not. I messaged you via email. Water under the bridge.

sixshooter 03-20-2019 06:02 AM

Yossi has always delivered admirably in the past.

Group buys are always a much slower option for the trade off of significant financial benefits. Opening a dispute rather than contacting someone who is on the forum EVERY DAY is a dick move. Be nice instead.

concealer404 03-20-2019 08:44 AM


Originally Posted by TheBandit (Post 1527293)
I'm sorry to hear you had anything other than a completely satisfactory experience. As this has been some time ago I can only try to comb through the messages/threads to see what happened.

A bit hollow, as this was pointed out to you almost exactly 2 years ago as well, and at that time you made no such indication that you were interested in doing so. It's fine, the car in question isn't even in existence anymore and i am now the proud owner of two Qmax reroutes. I'm not looking to get anything out of you besides an admission that perhaps those who throw stones shouldn't have two birds in the hand or whatever the proverb is. ;) Especially, you know.... as a vendor on this site.

turbotime69 03-27-2019 11:59 AM

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UK_Miata_Parts 03-28-2019 09:33 AM

Tracking provided for @TheBandit's order.
@Scaxx and @BigEasy your engines are getting crates tomorrow and should be shipped next week.

Scaxx 03-28-2019 11:04 AM

Dope! Looking forward to it!

BigEasy 03-28-2019 08:30 PM

Sounds good!! Thanks for the update

Scaxx 03-29-2019 03:28 AM

I noticed your cat count seemed kinda low so I went and looked at your cats and it looks like someone neg bombed you in your thread. They also got concealer for at least one. Whoever did that, not cool. I went through and fixed them.

UK_Miata_Parts 04-04-2019 10:44 AM

I would like to throw out a good word to @TheBandit as we were able to resolve this situation outside of paypal. He is a stand-up guy and I wish him all the best in his businesses.

Scaxx 04-08-2019 12:01 PM

Engine came in today, 5 days from when I got tracking. Now that's impressive. Looking forward to getting my car back on the road, thanks man!

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...cfb2271f03.jpg
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...efb1e30d14.jpg


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