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Does anyone have any information on the MS3 Mini? It would be great to add this to the table with the other products. Features, pricing, etc. Only information I have seen was a review from across the pond.

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This is a product that we have been keeping under the wraps as a potential replacement of the now discontinued Basic MS2 and Enhanced MS2. It's for those that need a simple but modern ECU.

It has sequential injection, wasted spark ignition, knock control, idle control, boost control, VVT output, tacho output, fuel pump output, dual cooling fan output, A/C control, launch control input, table switch input, analog wideband input, single VSS input (99-05), alternator control/battery light (99-05), VICS (99-00), 1 spare analog input, SD card logging, USB port.

Compared to the Basic MS3, it doesn't have the plethora of spare inputs and outputs, realtime baro sensor, adaptive crank/cam inputs, realtime clock for the SD logs, serial port, 2nd VSS input, DB37 with color-coded wiring for expansion.

To reduce the cost, it doesn't come in the usual aluminum enclosure the Basic comes in, it's a board-only ECU that is meant to be installed inside the stock ECU enclosure.

The target pricing for this ECU is $799.
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The “into to megasquirt thread” mentions that the MS3 basic has 5 inputs with built in pull up resistors - and I was just wondering why it would have so many, while the MS3Pro PnP has just 2 (with no pull ups?)
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Thank you Rev!
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When is it going to be released?
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Probably a few weeks away. PM me if you are interested and intend to install it immediately.
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The “into to megasquirt thread” mentions that the MS3 basic has 5 inputs with built in pull up resistors - and I was just wondering why it would have so many, while the MS3Pro PnP has just 2 (with no pull ups?)
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Since we're on the subject of new releases: I saw that you had an MS3 rocking on an NC. Any plans to do a PNP for the NC? Have a friend that's having some pretty horrible experiences with tuners on the EcuTek front, and none of us can help him because he's not on Megasquirt.
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Originally Posted by Reverant View Post
Probably a few weeks away. PM me if you are interested and intend to install it immediately.

I do, and sent you a PM with the details.
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Since we're on the subject of new releases: I saw that you had an MS3 rocking on an NC. Any plans to do a PNP for the NC? Have a friend that's having some pretty horrible experiences with tuners on the EcuTek front, and none of us can help him because he's not on Megasquirt.
We already have 3 cars running on a PnP. To be officially released within the year, pending minimal fixes and improvements.
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The “into to megasquirt thread” mentions that the MS3 basic has 5 inputs with built in pull up resistors - and I was just wondering why it would have so many, while the MS3Pro PnP has just 2 (with no pull ups?)
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Looking forward for your release of the MS3 Mini. Perhaps a group buy would be in order for a new product release
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I have installed and tuned ms3 mini prototypes in na and nbs with great success.
It has all the features most users need, in a budget-friendly package.
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I see this is now available for sale from a UK-based distributor. Any plans to bring it over to a North American supplier? Seems like the perfect solution for a VVT swap.
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Reading is hard. That doesn't address the question at all.
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I sent him to trackspeed, the US distributor for MS Labs. I dunno if it's available or not officially.
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I can special-order them.

When coming down to a Mini from the full MS3 Basic, here's what you are giving up, in no particular order:
  • No sequential ignition
  • No realtime baro sensor
  • No enclosure, fits inside the stock ECU case.
  • Only one spare analog input (prewired to the MAF)
  • Only one spare digital input (plus launch control on the clutch pedal)
  • Only one spare programmable output (for boost control)
  • No second VSS input for the 99-05, no VSS input on the 90-97.
  • No realtime clock for the SD logging
For race cars, the lack of I/O makes a digital dash much harder to implement. Lack of sequential spark may be an issue for some ignition systems in some applications. I have one here for a budget shop build, but when I am putting together a turbo car, I always opt for the full-fat Basic because of the increased I/O, sequential spark, and the baro sensor (in that order).
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Basically I've come over to the camp of "If something is a reliability problem on the track, just ask Andrew and do what he says".
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Thankfully it supports CANBus, so you could add all the sensors you want in a separate "sensor box"; as a matter of fact a friend has built a CAN sensor node (with RTC), yet to be tested on the Miata but works as intended in another application. I especially like the OEM-like integration about the Mini (and the price tag as well). I see lack of sequential spark being an issue for some people tho.
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Originally Posted by Savington View Post
I can special-order them.

When coming down to a Mini from the full MS3 Basic, here's what you are giving up, in no particular order:
  • No sequential ignition
  • No realtime baro sensor
  • No enclosure, fits inside the stock ECU case.
  • Only one spare analog input (prewired to the MAF)
  • Only one spare digital input (plus launch control on the clutch pedal)
  • Only one spare programmable output (for boost control)
  • No second VSS input for the 99-05, no VSS input on the 90-97.
  • No realtime clock for the SD logging
For race cars, the lack of I/O makes a digital dash much harder to implement. Lack of sequential spark may be an issue for some ignition systems in some applications. I have one here for a budget shop build, but when I am putting together a turbo car, I always opt for the full-fat Basic because of the increased I/O, sequential spark, and the baro sensor (in that order).
Originally Posted by Reverant View Post
This is a product that we have been keeping under the wraps as a potential replacement of the now discontinued Basic MS2 and Enhanced MS2. It's for those that need a simple but modern ECU.

It has sequential injection, wasted spark ignition, knock control, idle control, boost control, VVT output, tacho output, fuel pump output, dual cooling fan output, A/C control, launch control input, table switch input, analog wideband input, single VSS input (99-05), alternator control/battery light (99-05), VICS (99-00), 1 spare analog input, SD card logging, USB port.

Compared to the Basic MS3, it doesn't have the plethora of spare inputs and outputs, realtime baro sensor, adaptive crank/cam inputs, realtime clock for the SD logs, serial port, 2nd VSS input, DB37 with color-coded wiring for expansion.

To reduce the cost, it doesn't come in the usual aluminum enclosure the Basic comes in, it's a board-only ECU that is meant to be installed inside the stock ECU enclosure.

The target pricing for this ECU is $799.
Did something change between the development and release?
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