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buffon01 10-07-2010 11:25 AM

You're dumb if you buy a PNP. Holla at Braineack to built you one, and save about ~$200. In a nutshell, if you have a MS all you need is bigger injectors. FAQ would've told you that :noob:

mgeoffriau 10-07-2010 11:28 AM

Can run the 305's on MS, just won't have as much room as bigger injectors.

Sell the AFPR and fuel pump and buy the MS.

buffon01 10-07-2010 11:36 AM


Originally Posted by mgeoffriau (Post 640073)
can run the 305's on ms, just won't have as much room as bigger injectors.

sell the afpr and fuel pump and buy the ms.

qtf

srtwizzy 10-07-2010 11:38 AM

Only thing is, I dont have that kind of cash to be throwin out right now, I was gonna put it on my credit card.

mgeoffriau 10-07-2010 11:40 AM

Ugh, buying a more expensive product while incurring consumer debt rather than saving and buying the equivalent but cheaper product with cash...

srtwizzy 10-07-2010 12:47 PM

Okay so from what I just gathered, my best option is to.
1. have braineack build me a MS
2. sell the afpr and walbro 255 fuel pump
3. buy a 190hp fuel pump

mgeoffriau 10-07-2010 12:50 PM

Any particular reason you don't want to use the stock fuel pump? Pretty sure plenty of guys around here are running up 200-220 whp on the stocker.

buffon01 10-07-2010 01:21 PM

Yeah, seriously. Stock pump is fine. Unless it doesn't work, in that case do replace. :giggle: If it ain't broke don't fix it.

kotomile 10-07-2010 02:41 PM

Yeah, I was recommending you get the 190hp if you were still going to be using an AFPR. If you're going to 'squirt, don't worry about it, stock pump is fine (as long as yours is in good shape, that is.).

srtwizzy 10-07-2010 06:52 PM

Oh I got it now sorry. I thought you meant use a 190 fuel pump with MS instead of 255. No my stock one is perfectly fine, and if i dotn have to replace it than I am happy =). Will everything I have put me around 230 whp? or will I need bigger injectors? What is the MAX boost I can run safely as a daily? like 12psi?, correct me if im wrong, but if i read correctly, I can control the boost throuh MS if its hooked up to my laptop?(No matter how many times I read about the MS, i am still confused lol, I just need to keep reading on it.)The only thing im missing is a MS, so I am gonna talk to him and hopefully get it asap. I miss boost so much.

SKMetalworks 10-07-2010 07:34 PM

I say 180 hp then your clutch is gonna slip if its new, and then its only a matter of time before your diff and tranny explodes.

srtwizzy 10-07-2010 08:18 PM


Originally Posted by SKMetalworks (Post 640331)
I say 180 hp then your clutch is gonna slip if its new, and then its only a matter of time before your diff and tranny explodes.

huh? if my clutch is new its gonna slip? im confused

SKMetalworks 10-07-2010 08:23 PM

As in OEM new. If its used pretty good it will slip much earlier.

srtwizzy 10-07-2010 10:21 PM

Yeah I have a new OEM clutch in now, I am gonna replace soon. Should i replace clutch, and pressure plate or is just the clutch okay?

miatacross 10-07-2010 10:32 PM


Originally Posted by srtwizzy (Post 640392)
Yeah I have a new OEM clutch in now, I am gonna replace soon. Should i replace clutch, and pressure plate or is just the clutch okay?

Dude you really need to re-read the DIY FAQ...pulled it up and copied and pasted it for you:


9 Clutch

If you're going to run over 6psi, chances are the OEM clutch will start to slip. A clutch rated at 200 ft lbs. of torque should be able to hold to around 9-12psi. A clutch rated at 260 ft lbs. of torque should hold against everything you throw at it, within reason. There are a number of manufacturers that sell clutch kits.

Typically a kit includes the Pressure Plate, Clutch Disc, Throw-out Bearing and Pilot Bearing. You’ll want to replace all of these when upgrading your clutch. Surfacing/replacing/light-weighting your flywheel would also be beneficial at this time while it can be removed. 1.6L Miatas can upgrade to the 1.8L clutch when coupled with a 1.8L flywheel.

srtwizzy 10-07-2010 10:44 PM

sounds good.

kotomile 10-07-2010 11:54 PM


Originally Posted by srtwizzy (Post 640313)
Will everything I have put me around 230 whp? or will I need bigger injectors? What is the MAX boost I can run safely as a daily? like 12psi?, correct me if im wrong, but if i read correctly, I can control the boost throuh MS if its hooked up to my laptop?(No matter how many times I read about the MS, i am still confused lol, I just need to keep reading on it.)The only thing im missing is a MS, so I am gonna talk to him and hopefully get it asap. I miss boost so much.

What injectors did you say you have again? If they're under 440cc, I'm going to say no, you won't make 230 whp.

Boost can be controlled through the MS, but it's not worth the effort. Several members including myself have tried the MS1's EBC function, and found that the 5 cells it uses are not enough to control boost well. I have a DIY-style MBC (ball valve) for boost control now and it's better than the MS's EBC.

Like others have said, you'll need a better clutch. I use an ACT HD and it hasn't failed me yet.

srtwizzy 10-08-2010 12:04 AM

305'ccs..I think What I am going to do is buy a megasquirt and install it with my wideband. While in the process of doing this, I will sell my AFPR I recieved with turbo kit, sell the walbro fuel pump, sell the injectors, and purchase bigger injectors. Then start the build on the turbo =) oh and buy a new clutch in the process.

miatacross 10-08-2010 12:09 AM


Originally Posted by srtwizzy (Post 640440)
305'ccs..I think What I am going to do is buy a megasquirt and install it with my wideband. While in the process of doing this, I will sell my AFPR I recieved with turbo kit, sell the walbro fuel pump, sell the injectors, and purchase bigger injectors. Then start the build on the turbo =) oh and buy a new clutch in the process.

I'm happy you're handling the situation maturely and not just throwing on all your parts "to see what happens next"...

PS:
I saw a black SRT-4 today as I was stopped at a red light by a high school. Kid stops at a red light, revs the shit, takes off and redlines in first, chirps way through second, shifts to third...AND WOOP WOOP fairfax county's finest comes out from the side street...I was laughing soooo hard! :laugh:

srtwizzy 10-08-2010 12:31 AM

Yeah, just get to be slow for a little bit longer :cry: . At least I will have a better understanding for everything and also get a chance to learn about the
MS a little more and get comfortable with it.

:bowrofl: HAHA yeah dumb ass's like him gave me a bad name lol. I was one of the few who did my srt-4 right. I shouldn't have sold it... I should have refinanced it, got a lower interest rate, and taken out another loan for the miata. It was an 04 with only 25k miles :giggle: and i was only the 2nd owner.. But times got tough...Started going back to school. Got less hours at work. And did not like spending all my money on payments and insurance. I think the big reason i miss it is because i'm not boosted anymore! so I need BOOST!! its like crack lol.


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