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Old 09-10-2015, 09:38 PM   #1
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Default Fab9Tuning's NC MX-5 Turbo Kit Discussion- EFR/Garrett V-Band

We're currently in possession of a 2006 MX-5 (customer vehicle) and just a few nights ago we picked up our own NC (white sport package).

With the success of our previous NA/NB EFR/Garrett V-Band Side Mount turbo system we've decided to repeat the process on the NC platform.

These will NOT be entry level, will NOT be mild steel budget kits that simply "work", we've set out to produce a premium kit with top quality components at a price that wont break the bank. Full stainless, schedule construction that flows inside as good as it looks on the outside.

All three of the first vehicles will be using the EFR 6758 V-Band Internally Gated, Internal BOV turbocharger. The 2006 is a 2.5 swapped car, we've designed the flange with larger ports to accommodate each 2.0L and 2.5L with the maximum flow - with 1/2" Stainless construction.

Features:
• Precision tig welded, fully back-purged
• Full Stainless Construction
• Thick Sch40 primaries (321 is stabilized with Titanium for the ultimate in crack resistance)
• 0.500” CNC’d Flange
• Smooth round Port Transitions
• High Flow Merge Collector
• Bottom Mount AC + PS Compatible Design
• No cutting or modification of the engine bay
• Entire setup ships under our $9 shipping program (Continental US)
• Premium Bar/Plate FMIC with full aluminum charge pipes

If you are interested in a discounted rate for the first batch of kits completed please reach out to us [email protected]



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Today's updates:

The last NA/NB manifold order has been fulfilled and now we're full steam ahead on the NC's.

Turbo of choice for the first 4 kits is going to be the EFR 6758 from BorgWarner. We've decided to use their new full Aluminum supercore. They weigh considerably less, have better cooling properties and won't rust like the previous iron counterparts. The 6758 will produce power VERY quickly on a 2.0L and as you'd expect a 2.5L swapped NC will be even more responsive.



We're finally happy with the flange design and will have a production version in our hands within 24 hours.



The first customer car has already been turbocharged with a kit he's not satisfied with - This is where our completely stock NC will come in handy for all of the small bits that we could have never anticipated without it (relocation of the battery, cooling components, stock air box).

The engine bay in our NC is so untouched it hurts. I'd usually say it's a shame but I'm thrilled to have such a clean canvas to start with.
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Very excited that finally someone that knows what they're doing will be messing with turbocharging an NC
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Out it, what kit is currently on the car?
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<p>That white NC bay... has it been tucked or something? Looks incredibly clean.</p>
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Out it, what kit is currently on the car?
I'm not looking to hurt feelings, I'd like to let our results do that.

At some point I'm sure the customer will communicate who produced the existing kit but until then I'll focus on producing a superior product.

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<p>That white NC bay... has it been tucked or something? Looks incredibly clean.</p>
Ed, that's what I thought - just a well kept car I suppose.
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Man, a 2.5 swap with a well breathing EFR6258 setup would probably result in LSx-like lowend torque

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What is being used for the ecu? Retuning the stock one?
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What is being used for the ecu? Retuning the stock one?
Knowing Bryan, most likely an AEM EMS4
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I really hope not. There is absolutely no reason not to use the OEM ecu
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I really hope not. There is absolutely no reason not to use the OEM ecu
Sorry that statement was made under the assumption the stock ECU could not be retained.
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Sorry that statement was made under the assumption the stock ECU could not be retained.
Stock ECU is fully capable. We will even be on a hybrid MAF/MAP setup.
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Tearing down the old system we've found a number of issues.

The turbo itself is wearing into the engine mount:



This is his second Garrett turbo in less than 5k miles and we believe it's because of the oil supply and return line positions. We will have to find better locations for them.

The WG to manifold connection looks to be broken clean off or was a very poorly designed slip joint that was leaking, not a very conventional way of handling a pressure area responsible for controlling boost:

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Those welds, look very familiar...

Can't wait to see how this progresses
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Those welds, look very familiar...
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LOL.

Oh boy.
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We're waiting on tooling for the flange, in the mean time we've dusted off the old 3D printer and produced a PLA version and it's truly a work of art.



Everything checks out and we're full speed ahead on the manifold... More updates to come.
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I love 3D printers
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I specifically purchased an NC2 (2009 and later, purportedly has stronger rods and 6spd manual trans) for boost. I first saw this over on m.net and then saw it again here, and have fired off an email to Fab9 to see if I can qualify to get in on the early adopters list.

I'm excited about the choice of turbo on this kit, and I'm also looking for specifically a serious business (TM) level of power from the stock internals. And if I blow my **** up, I'll just have to rebuild with better parts and go again

Currently, the car roadmap is:
  • Subframe bracing: Done. The full set of Good Win Racing braces, plus the ILM "X" brace and rear butterfly are installed.
  • Suspension: Done. Flyin' Miata Stage 2, with Tokico HTS adjustable shocks, springs, and front and rear swaybars. I've also got a set of the adjustable endlinks inbound.
  • Brakes: Ordered, not shipped. Flyin' Miata "LBBK" Wilwood aluminum 4-pot kit for all four corners.
  • Wheels to fit brakes: Not ordered. Enkei PF01SS 17x8, 235/40R17 extreme-summer rubber
  • Radiator: Not ordered. 38mm aftermarket unit with updated fans and relays
  • Oil cooler with thermostat: Not ordered. Fab9's part looks to be the best offering
  • Clutch: Not ordered. Leaning to the carbon/carbon units I've seen, haven't truly decided yet.
  • BOOST: Not ordered. Turbo is the only answer, figure if I can get traction in 3rd gear, I've done it wrong.

I'm working through this list in the presented order. I can accelerate the project if doing so results in cost or labor savings.

Edit: I have an active build thread over on m.net including pictures of the car and the parts going on: http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=585658

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/\ Sounds like you're on the right track and will fit right in
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