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Old 01-12-2007, 01:42 PM
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I ordered a Bipes and should get shortly. I didn't retard the timing to 6 yet, as the car is not yet drivable. I am hoping i could have that car up and running this weekend. Could I still enjoy the car without retarding the timing from stock 10 degrees and adding an octane booster and praying for cold weather? Or the chances of detonation too high? Hoping I will not need to mess with the timing if Bipes is installed.
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Short answer, no. Long answer maybe, but do you want to take the chance? You don't have an I/C right?

Octane booster is crap and does not work as advertised. You have to add a LOT to get even 1 octane point.

If you need to drive the car, wire the wastegate open until the Bipes arrives. You may want to advance your timing with the bipes and just set it aggressively. The advance (14*) will help with off boost response.
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Kinda figured :-(
Well I guess might as well practice changing timing.
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To change timing, its not hard at all nor does it take long. Better to be safe then sorry.
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Changing timing is easy and timing lights are cheap. Mine was $40.

My bipes is set to pull 4* (base is 14*) so 10 in boost, but I'm running WI so..

You should look into WI too man, it's no joke.
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I ordered a Bipes and should get shortly. I didn't retard the timing to 6 yet, as the car is not yet drivable. I am hoping i could have that car up and running this weekend. Could I still enjoy the car without retarding the timing from stock 10 degrees and adding an octane booster and praying for cold weather? Or the chances of detonation too high? Hoping I will not need to mess with the timing if Bipes is installed.
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tourlene will work better than an octane booster.

only can push timing if no knock is present, even then you might experience inaudible not. knock/ping is the engine killer, so you're skating on thin ice.
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+1 on the toulene. 2 gallons per tank of 93 octane. should be ok, but get off the pedal if you hear the marbles rattling.
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It seems that's it better to wait for bipes or actually adjust the timing to recommended 6 deg. Would really suck if the engine would give out after all this work. :gay:

Seems that I am not gonna have access to my car this weekend anyways.

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hydraulic supply store maybe?
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Any place that sells brake fitting should be able to hook you up. That probably the most common use of those washers. I used aluminum, so far so good.
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Originally Posted by kotomile View Post
Changing timing is easy and timing lights are cheap. Mine was $40.

My bipes is set to pull 4* (base is 14*) so 10 in boost, but I'm running WI so..

You should look into WI too man, it's no joke.
Whats your setup ??
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just Greddy @ 5 psi, bipes with aforementioned settings, and Devilsown basic kit.
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how much did you buy the bipes for? I need to go ahead and invest in one when I get back my tax returns.
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around 180ish IIRC. I'll be selling mine march-ish.
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Originally Posted by kotomile View Post
around 180ish IIRC. I'll be selling mine march-ish.
2nd that. ~180 is the price for 2nd hand bipes...
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I am running 8BTDC on my Greddy and not having any issues. Of course, it's also cold here right now, and I plan on having the MSD unit on it before the summer hits.
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I hate Mazda!! Y! Y! Y didn't they turbo Miata from the factory!!!

Greddy is amazing... 5PSI at 6BTDC. Low end torque is amost non-existent, but going to 14BTDC should fix it once the bipes arives. 3K+ RPM = catch me if you can. :-)

Thanks to everyone for their help! More boosting questions to come.
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Originally Posted by beasty555 View Post
I hate Mazda!! Y! Y! Y didn't they turbo Miata from the factory!!!

Greddy is amazing... 5PSI at 6BTDC. Low end torque is amost non-existent, but going to 14BTDC should fix it once the bipes arives. 3K+ RPM = catch me if you can. :-)

Thanks to everyone for their help! More boosting questions to come.
Enjoy it while your not used to it!
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The timing will help some when you get the bipes. Just wait until you do more boost/bigger DP/alky/etc.!
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Going more boost than 6psi will require some major modifications that I am not ready for yet.

Defi want to do everything right:
1. be able to stop under more power (Bigger brakes: 1.8 or big brake kit)
2. a decent clutch that can handle more power
3. heavier rear to handle added power.
4. and of course all the power goodies.
Too much $$ for now. I already used up my Xmas and birthday gifts for the next 10 years to get the turbo kit. Wife has different priorities. (Y would anyone want to better the house, when there is a Miata in the garage?? huh? :-) )

Basic 1.6 kit and bipes will have to suffice for now. Might add just few more goodies in coming months: heat shield, free flow exhaust and oil cooler.
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