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Old 02-15-2009, 10:09 PM   #1
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Default Need some advice on purchasing Mazdaspeed Turbo Kit.

I got a friend of mine in Huntsville that is selling his stock Mazdaspeed Turbo Kit. Now he is wanting 900 dollars for it. It has turbo, manifold, downpipe, lines, and pretty much everything? What do you guys think? It's got 20,000 on the setup...

Next thing I need to know, is it a bolt in affair on a 1999 10th Anniversary?
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Kinda bolt on affair. Will need a bit of exhaust work...unless he is going to include the stock MSM DP and mid-pipe. You will still need to tap for oil drain. But the manifold/turbo does bolt right up. And I think the ERG pipe even works with no problems.
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IC setup included?
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Go to m.net and do a title search for MSM in the turbo sub-forum and read till you're full. I just looked and there are numerous threads dedicated to putting an MSM turbo in a non-turbo Miata.
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You will need a Mazdaspeed water pump inlet, or find an aluminum welder to modify your current piece.
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To be honest, all I really need then is the Header, Turbo, heatshield, lines, ect... cause i'll more than definitely install a corksport intercooler kit and performance downpipe...

I wonder if the MSM ECU's work fine with a 99-2000, since they are practically the same engines...
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not the same. compression is lower in the msm, and I believe intake cam is different also.
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Really? I thought it was basically a 99 engine with a turbo. I learned something new today.
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900 dollars for a stock MSM kit? id CONSIDER it if it was 400. for 900, you can get yourself a begi manifold, a used T25, a discounted begi downpipe and all the lines. OR wait for the BEGI DIY kits to come out.
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MSM's did not have variable valve timing either, further complicating any ecu compatibility.
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not the same. compression is lower in the msm, and I believe intake cam is different also.
You are right on the intake cam, but partially wrong on the compression ratio. You are right that it's lower, but '01-'05 engines are 10:1, MSMs are dropped to 9.5:1, which is the standard compression ratio for '99-'00.

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MSM's did not have variable valve timing either, further complicating any ecu compatibility.
Neither did the '99-'00 engines. Only '01-'05 non-MSM had VVT.
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900 dollars for a stock MSM kit? id CONSIDER it if it was 400.
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$900 is too pricey. Turbo can be had for $200 on eBay, manifold for $50-75, stock downpipe $75.00, and the oil lines will not work anyway.....
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not the same. compression is lower in the msm, and I believe intake cam is different also.

As far as I know, the Mazdaspeed Miatas have identical engines with the 99-2000 Miatas and 9.5:1 compression ratio; however, the 99-2000 Miatas have Mazda's Variable Intake Control System and the Mazdaspeed Miatas do not...

That's why I was wondering how the ecu would work... (But according to what I have read, the zoom3 or PC pro would be a much better option for fuel and ignition) Seems like the factory ecu just isn't all that great to begin with...
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The MSM ECU is not compatible with the 99 miata unless you move the sensors also. The MSM ECI is notorious for programming flaws, so I would not even consider it an option. The 99 ECU is much easier to work with and/or around.
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To be honest, all I really need then is the Header, Turbo, heatshield, lines, ect... cause i'll more than definitely install a corksport intercooler kit and performance downpipe...

I wonder if the MSM ECU's work fine with a 99-2000, since they are practically the same engines...
I think the head is different. There is a guy on the MSM site 95MSM that has done it and could probably answer any question you have.
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Cheapest turbo I've seen on ebay is around $239. Most are closer to $300. The problem is, a lot of people that have the stuff think it's worth more than some people are willing to pay. however, if you can get everthing from the guy, IMO that's not a bad price.
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Clearly asking 900-1000 dollars for the entire kit is too much for the fact that every oem piece is restrictive. All I need is the turbo, manifold, and cast downpipe. I'll do the rest...
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Used prices should be determined by mileage, etc. Call Mazda and get a price on all new stuff. You may be surprised by how $1,000 could be a good deal.
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You are right on the intake cam, but partially wrong on the compression ratio. You are right that it's lower, but '01-'05 engines are 10:1, MSMs are dropped to 9.5:1, which is the standard compression ratio for '99-'00.



Neither did the '99-'00 engines. Only '01-'05 non-MSM had VVT.
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As far as I know, the Mazdaspeed Miatas have identical engines with the 99-2000 Miatas and 9.5:1 compression ratio; however, the 99-2000 Miatas have Mazda's Variable Intake Control System and the Mazdaspeed Miatas do not...

That's why I was wondering how the ecu would work... (But according to what I have read, the zoom3 or PC pro would be a much better option for fuel and ignition) Seems like the factory ecu just isn't all that great to begin with...
Hmm, interesting. I was under the impression that they had 8.8:1 or something like that, from seeing it posted somewhere. Well in that case I apologize for the misleading statement.
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Used prices should be determined by mileage, etc. Call Mazda and get a price on all new stuff. You may be surprised by how $1,000 could be a good deal.
I decided to just stay out of this one, but $900 is not a bad deal. Up until a few months ago when someone in Japan started selling the turbos on ebay, they were going for no less than 400-500 dollars. New, a hell of a lot more. I got $75 for just my manifold. Stock DP went for $150. You add up all the parts you need, if you can find them used and from someone who is not delusional on it's worth, $900 starts to look pretty good.
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