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GT3man2001 02-26-2009 11:39 PM


Originally Posted by msydnor (Post 374769)
I don't think they claim that much, could be wrong though. Most intakes at max PSI before boost cut kicks in at around 10.5 PSI picks up about 30rwhp.

I looked into it. It's actually 9psi.

msydnor 02-26-2009 11:40 PM


Originally Posted by evank (Post 374810)
With those same mods (SGDP, exhaust, FM intake), mine was at 213rwhp / 205 ft.lb. AFTER dyno correction ... and unlike Mysdnor there are people here who can vouch for my numbers. :)

True, and I think you will agree that is fairly common.

evank 02-26-2009 11:52 PM

No, I don't agree with that.

msydnor 02-27-2009 12:00 AM


Originally Posted by evank (Post 374818)
No, I don't agree with that.

? same bolt ons usually yeild similar numbers, why would my car or yours be different

evank 02-27-2009 12:07 AM

1. My SGDP and exhaust are not the "same bolt-ons" as yours, they are custom-built Absurdflow: http://www.shoremotorsports.com/stainlessexhaust.htm.
2. I had 305cc injectors, not stock 265.
3. I have dyno results and many witnesses here.

msydnor 02-27-2009 12:30 AM


Originally Posted by evank (Post 374823)
1. My SGDP and exhaust are not the "same bolt-ons" as yours, they are custom-built Absurdflow: Shore Motorsports: Fabrication & Installation.
2. I had 305cc injectors, not stock 265.
3. I have dyno results and many witnesses here.

Oh, for the record, I ran 305 for a while and they really made little difference. I have dyno sheets to. I didn't realize that if someone on this message board was not there it never really happened. My bad. But hey, let's not stink up this guys thread.

Cody Strife 02-27-2009 01:15 AM

Okay truth is... Well lets add up my cost on the turbo kit so far and compare... And yes that is a flyin miata manual boost controller. I will be using it.

So what I was thinking about buying was a Bell Series S with Zoom 3 engine management and harness, GT2554r and no intercooler. It's a reliable 160 rwhp Cost now? Only 2400 dollars... Then I want that Begi S intercooler, boom 500 extra bucks plus another 100 for the bypass valve and plumbing.

So that's around 3000 dollars shipped.

My resort. Lets keep the hardware below 1,000 guys.

Mazdaspeed Miata charge pipes, intake, exhaust Manifold, cast iron outlet, shitty intercooler, and all related fasteners and fittings 230 dollars.

Ebayer 28x7x2.5 air to air intercooler, 70 dollars.

Brand new IHI RHF-5 journal bearing oil cooled/water cooled turbo with fittings and drain line. 260 dollars shipped.

My price thus far, 560 dollars.

Okay so say I need to replace the shitty bypass valve, only if it leaks. Fab a Begi 2.5 inch catless downpipe that bolts to a 99-2000 midpipe. (But rumor is a few people testify that the 99-2000 steel downpipe will bolt right up to the turbocharger cast outlet, and judging by the degree and position of the cast outlet on the turbo, this could be correct) And I wanna get the Begi Cold air assembly box.

Okay so that is 650 dollars.

So okay, the bottom line on hardware plus various pieces and shipping. It comes in around 1,200 dollars. Go PC-Pro for 500 or Zoom3 for around 650 with harness. Your looking at 1,850 dollars.

So okay, decent running 160 rwhp Mazdaspeed Miata Turbo Kit with begi intake, 400 cubic inch intercooler, forge bypass valve, 2.5 inch downpipe, and Zoom3 engine management. 1,850 dollars.

Bell Series S, GTT2554r, non-intercooled, no bypass valve, 2.5 inch downpipe, simple plumbing and lines, plus Zoom 3 engine management.

2400 dollars.

What am I going to do with that left over 550 dollars? I got a 2.5 inch Enthuza dual exhaust with 2.25 inch outlets already. I know! I'll buy a 99-05 Enthuza Midpipe with high-flow catalytic converter and resonator.

So for 2,400 dollars. I got a pretty decent MSM setup with a 2.5 inch exhaust system, upgraded air-to-air intercooler, new bypass, Begi Cool air box, and Zoom 3 engine management. Though unlikely, I might hit 195 rwhp?

Heck and when i'm ready, I might just sell the zoom3, pick up a 99-2005 link and run some auxiliary fuel injectors, upgrade the compressor wheel and put out 260 to the rear wheels :)

And if down right, all for roughly the price of a Bell Series 1 Turbo kit, or Flyin Miata Voodoo Turbo Kit....

Although my car will never have that wonderful Garrett Ball Bearing Turbo :(

evank 02-27-2009 01:23 AM


Originally Posted by Cody Strife (Post 374847)
when i'm ready, I might just sell the zoom3, pick up a 99-2005 link

You're much better off with a Megasquirt.

Cody Strife 02-27-2009 02:37 AM

I'll keep that in consideration Mr. Obama...

msydnor 02-27-2009 08:48 AM


Originally Posted by Cody Strife (Post 374872)
I'll keep that in consideration Mr. Obama...

I'd probably gp MS too, and you will see 200 hp

hustler 02-27-2009 11:15 AM

ban for not using MS in a budget set-up!

msydnor 02-27-2009 11:37 AM


Originally Posted by GT3man2001 (Post 374813)
I looked into it. It's actually 9psi.

I have one, it's 10.5. Most people that have them can obtain 10-11 before boost cut actually kicks in. For about a $1.50 you can disable the boost cut all togther if you like.

Cody Strife 02-27-2009 11:41 AM

And for the record, I am using a 99-2000 factory ECU. According to many sources, this 99-2000 ecu attached with either Voodoo, PC Pro, or Zoom 3 gives far better drivability than the MSM ECU Shit Block...

Cody Strife 02-27-2009 11:42 AM

I've ran a 96/97 Megasquirt PNP. Pretty nice piece and worked fine, I just couldn't get it tuned to the point of city and stop light driving... I was running 460 cc injectors at 12 psi and my air/fuel ratios stayed around 11.5 and 12.3

So somebody tell me more about this piggy back megasquirt and how it works...

hustler 02-27-2009 12:26 PM

whatever. I have 550's that flowed 590cc, no tps, and my shit drives as good as any OEM computer.

You wire it in, following the directions in the MS FAQ. $350 to control fuel spark, and whatever else and you're produce more testosterone and be more fertile.

Cody Strife 02-27-2009 02:18 PM


Originally Posted by hustler (Post 375001)
whatever. I have 550's that flowed 590cc, no tps, and my shit drives as good as any OEM computer.

You wire it in, following the directions in the MS FAQ. $350 to control fuel spark, and whatever else and you're produce more testosterone and be more fertile.

Oh I wasn't doubting the capabilities of Megasquirt and I was referring to the Mazdaspeed Miata (MSM) Ecu as the shit block and not the megasquirt. Megasquirt is as good as the whoever owns it and whoever does the programming. Clearly, I just didn't know what the hell I was doing otherwise I could have got it to run flawlessly...

evank 02-27-2009 03:07 PM


Originally Posted by Cody Strife (Post 374978)
I've ran a 96/97 Megasquirt PNP. Pretty nice piece and worked fine, I just couldn't get it tuned to the point of city and stop light driving... I was running 460 cc injectors at 12 psi and my air/fuel ratios stayed around 11.5 and 12.3

So somebody tell me more about this piggy back megasquirt and how it works...

For starters, on an NB, you'd have the MS in parallel - not piggyback. Big difference. Piggyback means it tries to manipulate stock signals. Parallel means the MS controls engine stuff and the stock ECU controls everything else.

Cody Strife 02-27-2009 07:36 PM

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I took some new pics today. Just some tidying up the engine bay. Had to cut about inch and half off the upper radiator hose.

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About the trojan brand throttle inlet 90", I mean as long as it doesn't come off or leak, I don't see whats the big problem with this piece. It's made of some thick ass rubber that's for sure!

Cody Strife 02-27-2009 07:38 PM

BTW, sent the MSM front bumper and lip off today. The prep will be finished by next friday, and after 14 days, I should have it mounted. :) It's gonna look hot is Saphirre Blue Mica.

Turbo_4 02-27-2009 08:18 PM

looks good brah!


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