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Old 01-01-2014, 03:31 PM   #61
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I'm going to go buy a horse because internal combustion engines are just way too complicated and frustrating to tune.
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Old 01-01-2014, 03:35 PM   #62
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**** man, that's the scariest 1hp I can possibly imagine. Of course you will be running ALLOFIT all the time
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Old 01-01-2014, 03:55 PM   #63
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Well, I bought an MS2E, and I'll be picking up my wideband and boost gauge this weekend. I'm leaning towards the Begi-S kit now.. seems to be all the same high-quality stuff, but for about $1000 less, which is nifty.

I'm planning on tuning N/A, then throwing the Begi-S kit in, tuning with that, then when I get hungry I can go injectors and I/C and go for a bit more power.. then a bit more.. then do meth... err, i mean install meth injection, and go a bit more power... or whatever.
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The closest tuner I know would be top speed tuning in Alpharetta Georgia, but I doubt he does Megasquirt. So I am screwed... I probably have to drive 500 miles to get my car to a Megasquirt dyno tuner lol.
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I agree with the earlier post made, the real problem lies in that most folks want to pile more and more power expectations on a device that isn't really intended to push pass 6-8 psi.

And I have seen it...

Voodoo box+adjustable fpr+supra injectors+msd...

Lol, that is simply too much crap and too many points of failure...
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If you are wanting an easy to install, hassle-free fuel management unit that will work well with the ECU, maintain your OBD-2 readouts, keep your air conditioning, and all the hard work that is put into making a car crank immediately in adverse temperatures and conditions without flooding the engine or repeated cranking attempts, then, contrary to what most people will say, the voodoo box is an economical choice and a reliable good working choice at that.
Sounds like you don't know how to tune. Don't blame the ECU because of your failures--that's not fair.

I say this as a person who's owned 1 miata.


voodoo is a great solution for someone with a turbo kit that wants to run less power than my farts can dyno.
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If your farts can turn a drum showbusiness is your calling - however, it's a hard act to sell because of the smell.
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If your farts can turn a drum showbusiness is your calling - however, it's a hard act to sell because of the smell.
You've obviously never experience a brain fart.
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You've obviously never experience a brain fart.
My short term memory is worse th.... Fk what was I going to say.
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True, I never could alter the maps, I don't know how to tune, lol. Do you guys have instructions available for tuning megasquirts with a wide band, cause I would definitely give it shot.
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I actually found the parts with the maps to be the easy stuff with the MS (and TunerStudio of course) as I tend to be very visual. The hard part for me was figuring out what all the other functions were that were ******* with me and adjusting things in the background and fighting TS while I was trying to get a solid fuel map put together. Too many acronyms and too many functions that had been renamed and moved around in the interface. I spent over a week trying to find the GAIR table only to learn later that it didn't exist in my DIYPNP. That's what'll drive you nuts with the MS. So many generations with so many different settings makes finding a guide that applies to your unit a real challenge.
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True, I never could alter the maps, I don't know how to tune, lol. Do you guys have instructions available for tuning megasquirts with a wide band, cause I would definitely give it shot.
There is not only numerous manuals and write ups, but even a complete forum dedicated to this exact thing.

And before you ask: yes it absolutely requires quite a bit more effort on your part than opening a booklet that tells you how to turn 3 ***** and you're done. That last part is what turns people like you off, and they just reject the whole thing, and resort to crappy band aids invented in the 80's before people took fuel injection seriously. But if I'm putting parts on my car, I want to make sure they're at least as new as the car itself and not old outdated mediocre parts.
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If you cant find a manual on MS then you have different problems.
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Gotcha but on the bright side I pass inspection with no problem which is nice about the voodoo box
I'm in the exact same spot as the OP, doing lots of research, reading everything I can get my hands on right down to the recommended books, and I'm still unclear on this point:

Is a piggyback ECU like the Voodoo box the only way to pass emissions?

I've got cash burning a hole in my pocket and I've decided on the FM kit, and I'd like to run MSPNP with it. But, I have to pass emissions every March.
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Okay so I had looked on the manufacturer's website and didn't see the answer, but then a simple Google search of the same question returned this:

"Is the MSPNP emissions legal? Does it return OBD2 codes?

The MSPNP is sold for competition use on race tracks, autocross, drag strips, off road courses, and things that otherwise don't get driven on public roads. Although a correctly tuned MSPNP is capable of relatively low tailpipe readings, a badly tuned one can send emissions through the roof. Consequently, installing one on a street car does not meet Federal emissions rules. The MSPNP also does not return OBD2 codes, either. If you have to return your race car to street duty, you've got to unplug the MSPNP and go back to the stock ECU to stay street legal."

So, those of you that are passing emissions every year with a standalone, are you yanking out your ECU and putting the stock one back in before emissions testing?
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Yes the laws are too far behind. You could be running even an electric vehicle.. if that obd2 scan isnt working you automatically fail. Not sure what/ if any states do the sniffer test only any more.

Few years ago the prius couldnt pass emissions because its made to turn off the engine and run on electric at idle the gasoline engine would turn off and fail emissions.
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The answer is related to your state location and just how they test.
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My home state of Tennessee uses a sniffer in the tailpipe and an OBDII plug under the dash. It looks like I'd have to plan to swap back to stock every year, or be happy with the Voodoo.

Thanks for the intel guys, I'll do some more research about the difficulties involved in a stock-swap and then make a decision. Right now I'm thinking I don't want to mess with the annual hassle, and the Voodoo box is looking pretty good (to a rookie anyway).
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That's the catch: it ONLY looks good to a rookie. Once you know what you're doing, you'll realize why we don't like them
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This statement is of course acedemic but if I could run a voodoo as part of a turbo kit and pass emissions, I'd happily buy one.

But I'd still pull it and run some flavor of MS or AEM for the other 729 days between checks.
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