apexanimal

I still have 3" on the shoulders b/c i got the necksgen rev2 lite which is designed to take a 3" belt...

basically whatever head/neck restraint system can use.

UrbanSoot

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How do you like it? I was looking at getting one.

stevos555

Buy Sabelt their are quality made and on sale

Blackbird

Nothing gives me quite the fuzzy warm feelings of seeing anti sub belts routed in front of the seat..

Hard to match the comfort levels of the Schroth hybrid belts.

apexanimal

i don't have any in-car experience with anything else, but i really like it. it's light, comfy, is easy to put on (even while in the car), easy to connect/disconnect, and the harnesses lay right in there.

2slow

Ok, so I got myself a Schroth PROFI III-6.... here are some comments

Tactile feel and lock mechanism
- Schroth cam-lock has plastic exterior, feels less sturdy. Less positive click on locking mechanism. Ergonomics of release lever is odd to me - lever plate is same size as body of the lock, has shape as if it meant to be operated with fingers rather than with a full hand (palm and fingers over the top of the lock), but works fine and in any direction.
- Crow - hefty metal that feels very solid, no play at all. Very positive and solid click when locking. Ergonomics of release lever is perfect since it's symmetrical and the release is slightly bigger than the body of the lock, so it can be grabbed with any hand form any angle and turned in any direction for instant release

Webbing:
- Schroth webbing is softer and feels lighter.
- Crow webbing is a bit less pliable, feels heavier.

Ease of adjustment -
- Schroth - it works fine. Lap belt adjustments may be better/easier
- Crow - it works fine, Shoulder straps are easier to release since Crow has little red pull tabs that are easy to spot and pull to release.

Weight
- Schroth - feels lighter
- Crow - feels heavier

Price
- Schroth - ~$400
- Crow - ~$230

Now after having both, I still like Crow a bit more, even though lap belt adjustment is more of hassle (but you don't do it nearly as much as locking/unlocking).

Blackbird

1. Are your lap belts configured as pull up or pull down?
2. Why did you buy the III and not the II?

Savington

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Have you actually worn them?

2slow

Moti :
1) pull down
2) i got it with the car I just bought, PO put it in just recently.

Also to clarify - i think Schroth has better lap adjustment, i had a poor choice of words in my previous statement where it could be understood either way.

Savington - I did use Crow at the track and auto-x as it was in my previous build that I've sold. Schroth on street only, as stock belt doesn't have a receiver and I just got this car and haven't had a chance to go anywhere yet.

Blackbird

That was mistake on the PO side to buy the III, should've gone with the II, and if he did that you would've been able to flip the lap belts to a pull-up config which is much easier to tighten.

stevos555

I had similar issue with having III but contacted HMS and bought flexi lap belts and now have ability to do pull up vs pull down. There is very little room on the inboard side by trans tunnel where the buckle is outside of the seat and adjusting that to loosen the lap belt is a pain. The pull down config puts the adjuster closer to the cam lock.

2slow

Well, i don't see lap belts as an issue and as indicated - the adjusters themselves are better than Crow. Lap belt adjustments are rarely needed once adjusted properly, at least that's the case for me. I was just commenting that from my subjective experience a more expensive Schroth was not significantly better than the much cheaper Crow. Where Crow is lacking is in the 6pt sub belt buckle, i think it is a lazy design, while Schroth engineers spent some time thinking about how to make it more comfortable and better.

Savington

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I find that with the 2" lap belts configured in pull-up, the adjuster ends up interacting with the seat all the time. I configure them to pull-down and then route the strap through the seat. You still pull up to tighten, but the seat acts as a pulley and the adjusters sit on your lap and well away from the seat.

stevos555

Same for me. The 2" flexi belt made this easy.