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Old 11-19-2011, 11:06 AM   #21
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I think I know what I'll be putting in when I drop the tranny next spring....
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Rating clutch life is like rating brake pads. One person can run 120k miles on a set of OEM front pads, while another can barely make it 8k or a year on the same set. If 949's is built like the rest of the twin discs on the market, you'll have zero issues. If its built like the rest of 949's products, you REALLY shouldn't have issues with it.

The only issue I can see is with the un-sprung hub wearing the input shaft splines down, but you'll probably make a box of neutrals long before that happens.
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Old 11-27-2011, 08:01 PM   #23
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Is the 949 clutch loud like this?
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Is the 949 clutch loud like this?
I think my Un-sprung 4 puck 1.6l ACT with a Fadanza flywheel makes more buzz noise than that. You find yourself trying to avoid 3500 to 3800 rpm just driving around where the whole car buzzes if you park the RPM there too long.

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Is the 949 clutch loud like this?
That isn't the clutch. That's transmission generated noise that an OEM style clutch with a spring hub will insulate. Put a light flywheel and rigid hub organic disc in your factory clutch and it will make that same noise. Our single makes that noise. Out twin adds floater plate rattle at idle (only with the clutch disengaged). If you want a quiet Miata, don;t even consider our 7.25" setups
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Old 11-28-2011, 08:57 AM   #26
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Does anyone have this clutch that drives their car to and from the track? I promise to ask no more questions after this.
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Old 11-28-2011, 12:20 PM   #27
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Does anyone have this clutch that drives their car to and from the track? I promise to ask no more questions after this.
I drive my car to the track infrequently anymore because I am always afraid of being stranded and I like to carry even more stuff but I do drive it to work several times a week and to some autocrosses.

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I drive my car to the track infrequently anymore because I am always afraid of being stranded and I like to carry even more stuff but I do drive it to work several times a week and to some autocrosses.

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Old 11-28-2011, 01:07 PM   #29
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Well let me put it this way. I have discovered sprung center clutch disks have a purpose. That purpose is not so much about protecting transmission from shock loading when slamming through the gears in fact I think they make this shock loading worse. What they are for is absorbing the torsional vibration of the reciprocating power source and reducing drivetrain noise.

Honestly I think the single worst thing I did to my car to make it less pleasant to drive as a street car was the Un-sprung clutch. I got sick of blowing the sprung centers out of clutch disks however.

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Old 11-28-2011, 01:25 PM   #30
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Who wants to roll around and take audio of their twin disc for me? I ask because I think my Spec clutch is dead and I have to make a decision and get this car running before I get laid off, lol. Running car + unemployment ; tuck in storage : broken car + unemployment ; part-out.
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Does the twin disc have leaf springs for the floater plate?

I wish someone made a light clutch with a metal/ceramic friction material.
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Old 11-28-2011, 11:15 PM   #32
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Mine is quiet unless im off the throttle and decelerating. Especially in 5th gear for some reason. Part throttle in 6th on the highway i never get any buzzing.
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Does the twin disc have leaf springs for the floater plate?

I wish someone made a light clutch with a metal/ceramic friction material.
Yes, they come with a purse.
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Old 11-29-2011, 02:27 AM   #34
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Mine is quiet unless im off the throttle and decelerating. Especially in 5th gear for some reason. Part throttle in 6th on the highway i never get any buzzing.
Scales tipped again. I guess I need to go check that clutch and send money if need be.
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If I could get the twin ceramic bitch mounted on my shaft then I would take a video for you. Given that it is a reluctant ---- you may have to wait a while.
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Have you tried the sawzall?
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If I could get the twin ceramic bitch mounted on my shaft then I would take a video for you. Given that it is a reluctant ---- you may have to wait a while.
The chamfer on some of the ceramic hubs is small so yes, they can sometimes make sliding the trans assembly into the clutch a pain. Just takes careful alignment with a standard alignment tool and guiding the trans on dead straight.
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Old 11-30-2011, 03:09 AM   #38
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The chamfer on some of the ceramic hubs is small so yes, they can sometimes make sliding the trans assembly into the clutch a pain. Just takes careful alignment with a standard alignment tool and guiding the trans on dead straight.
I am luckly I didn't do this myself as my mechanic struggled for a good while trying to get this thing aligned.
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I recently bought an imported mazda miata and the previous owner installed a 949 Racing Twin Plate Clutch & Flywheel. The owner said that the noises that it makes off the throttle were fine and due to his reputation i believed him (he knows one of the guys from mx5 mania here is australia).

I dont understand alot about why the metalic grinding sound happens in the over run between gears and i am really interested to learn why. I was reading through the thread and believe its a quality product but im slightly worried about that the sounds is doing more harm then good?

i read that
"What they are for is absorbing the torsional vibration of the reciprocating power source and reducing drivetrain noise"...
but how are they reducing drivetrain noise?

also
"The only issue I can see is with the un-sprung hub wearing the input shaft splines down, but you'll probably make a box of neutrals long before that happens"..
are the input splines the source of the noise?

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Old 11-12-2012, 08:19 AM   #40
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twin plates make lots of noise. It's just natural, it sometimes sounds scary. I used my first twin plate in my FD and it was a little hard to get used to sound wise. Engagement was awesome though.

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Virtually all street clutches also employ what is called a Marcel spring between the two facings of the clutch friction material. This is a very thin, wavy spring that also helps to damp the chatter of the engaging clutch. Race clutches do not employ a Marcel spring and can be very harsh on the street as a result.

All dual-disc clutches must employ a midplate or floater secondary flywheel surface that is attached directly to the flywheel. It provides a flywheel surface connected directly to the crankshaft for the secondary clutch disc. This surface must float when clutch pressure is released (clutch pedal depressed), which is where the device gets its name. With this Centerforce unit, the floater is connected to three large drive pins located on the flywheel.
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