AiM RS3 and MXL2 and MXG relaesed - Miata Turbo Forum - Boost cars, acquire cats.

Welcome to Miataturbo.net   Members
 


Race Prep Miata race-only chat.
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Reply
 
 
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 12-08-2014, 11:38 AM   #1
Supporting Vendor
Thread Starter
iTrader: (1)
 
OGRacing's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 1,764
Total Cats: 46
Default AiM RS3 and MXL2 and MXG relaesed

I know a lot of people have been waiting. Race Studio 3 was just posted on AiM's website AIM Software Download Area

MXL2 and MXG are supposed to be shipping last week. Supply will be tight for a bit, but they will be coming out. They have also announced this on their FB page.

I have some coming in, so let me know if you need one. I should be able to help some folks out with dashes, Smartycams, and sensors.
OGRacing is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-08-2014, 02:53 PM   #2
Supporting Vendor
iTrader: (10)
 
Reverant's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Athens, Greece
Posts: 5,441
Total Cats: 198
Default

I have the MXL Pista and its utterly dissapointing that there is no filtering on the analog inputs. I have a really expensive oil pressure transducer and its virtually unreadable while racing as the readings bounce all over the place.

Is the MXG going to be any better on this front?
Reverant is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-08-2014, 05:45 PM   #3
Supporting Vendor
Thread Starter
iTrader: (1)
 
OGRacing's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 1,764
Total Cats: 46
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Reverant View Post
I have the MXL Pista and its utterly dissapointing that there is no filtering on the analog inputs. I have a really expensive oil pressure transducer and its virtually unreadable while racing as the readings bounce all over the place.

Is the MXG going to be any better on this front?
Didn't you bring this up before? i got you in touch with aim? my menmory could be shot.
I'm not going to say this is a problem with the pista. i think you might have an issue with the transducer. the transducer will report whatever it sees. if it's not broken or loose connection, then you might want to mount it somewhere else. if you have no other place to mount it find a way to baffle the signal. Shoot me an email [email protected] i can get you in touch with aim. We can try to get to the source of the problem.
OGRacing is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-08-2014, 06:25 PM   #4
Supporting Vendor
iTrader: (10)
 
Reverant's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Athens, Greece
Posts: 5,441
Total Cats: 198
Default

That was a different issue (losing ECU connectivity to the dash).

The sensor is working fine. The ECU dampens the sensor's output and the signal is readable in the laptop through the ECU. That was also the case with my previous datalogging solution (Innovate MTS chain with a DL-32).

The problem is that the dash doesn't dampen the sensor's output at all. Have you ever connected a fuel level sensor to an AiM dash? If so, if you have connected it directly, then you know that it is useless as the signal goes up and down at the slightest movement of the car. It needs to filtered.
Reverant is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-08-2014, 06:29 PM   #5
Supporting Vendor
Thread Starter
iTrader: (1)
 
OGRacing's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 1,764
Total Cats: 46
Default

let me see if i can get AiM to post
OGRacing is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-08-2014, 07:43 PM   #6
Ben
Supporting Vendor
iTrader: (33)
 
Ben's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: atlanta-ish
Posts: 12,689
Total Cats: 99
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Reverant View Post
The problem is that the dash doesn't dampen the sensor's output at all. Have you ever connected a fuel level sensor to an AiM dash? If so, if you have connected it directly, then you know that it is useless as the signal goes up and down at the slightest movement of the car. It needs to filtered.
100% agree. I can't believe that a $2000 display device requires external hardware for filtering.
Also the temperature sensor inputs have a 3-point curve with no extrapolation beyond the end points.
Ben is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-08-2014, 08:18 PM   #7
Supporting Vendor
Thread Starter
iTrader: (1)
 
OGRacing's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 1,764
Total Cats: 46
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben View Post
100% agree. I can't believe that a $2000 display device requires external hardware for filtering.
Also the temperature sensor inputs have a 3-point curve with no extrapolation beyond the end points.
an auto-meter does the same thing. The dash is just going to display what the sensor tells it. Most Race teams only run a fuel pressure sensor for this reason. I've contacted aim and we will have a reply to this post in the morning. most data logging displays cost around 2k, so don't think that they are overpriced. the closest competition is racepak, once you add in the cost of expansion cables and accessories it will cost the same as a pista.

Last edited by OGRacing; 12-09-2014 at 10:12 AM.
OGRacing is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-08-2014, 11:00 PM   #8
Senior Member
iTrader: (8)
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Azusa, CA
Posts: 1,376
Total Cats: 80
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by OGRacing View Post
an auto-meter does the same thing. The dash is just going to display what the sensor tells it. Most Race teams only run a fuel pressure sensor for this reason. I've contacted aim and we will have a reply reply to this post in the morning. most data logging displays cost around 2k, so don't think that they are overpriced. the closest competition is racepak, once you add in the cost of expansion cables and accessories it will cost the same as a pista.
Racepak has an option for a smoothing out inputs shown on the display. I'm pretty sure its a point by point moving average filter of 1 to 15 points which is set up by the user. Which is completely necessary when their shitty thermocouple module has only 3 degrees Fahrenheit resolution and jumps all over the place. Aim really needs to have this type of feature on a display.

However, Racepak is just as expensive with the usual add ons and their software analysis program is terrible. RaceStudio 2 was much better and hopefully RaceStudio 3 brings a lot of new features to the table.
cyotani is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-09-2014, 10:20 AM   #9
Supporting Vendor
Thread Starter
iTrader: (1)
 
OGRacing's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 1,764
Total Cats: 46
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by cyotani View Post
Racepak has an option for a smoothing out inputs shown on the display. I'm pretty sure its a point by point moving average filter of 1 to 15 points which is set up by the user. Which is completely necessary when their shitty thermocouple module has only 3 degrees Fahrenheit resolution and jumps all over the place. Aim really needs to have this type of feature on a display.

However, Racepak is just as expensive with the usual add ons and their software analysis program is terrible. RaceStudio 2 was much better and hopefully RaceStudio 3 brings a lot of new features to the table.
i was able to ask AiM some questions this morning. the Pista does not have a Dampen feature. The new dashes MXg MXL2 will have a dampen feature. AiM did say that we could slow the sampling rate to make the display more useful. they said
Quote:
... its done in hz standard setting should be 10hz but when you change it the data on race studio will be less defined...
they also told me for oil pressure, most teams use the pista's warning light. if the pressure gets to low the light will turn on, as it's a go/no-go situation.
OGRacing is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-09-2014, 11:39 AM   #10
Senior Member
iTrader: (8)
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Azusa, CA
Posts: 1,376
Total Cats: 80
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by OGRacing View Post
the Pista does not have a Dampen feature. The new dashes MXg MXL2 will have a dampen feature. AiM did say that we could slow the sampling rate to make the display more useful. they said ... its done in hz standard setting should be 10hz but when you change it the data on race studio will be less defined...
So the new MXL2 has the dampening feature that will smooth out the display of the sensor dash but NOT affect the raw data log viewed in RaceStudio?

And for the Pista which doesn't have this feature, they suggest slowing the sample rate, which affects both the data log and the display, which helps not overwhelm you with with the live data display but gives you very low frequency data log in race studio?
cyotani is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-10-2014, 10:24 AM   #11
Supporting Vendor
Thread Starter
iTrader: (1)
 
OGRacing's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 1,764
Total Cats: 46
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by cyotani View Post
So the new MXL2 has the dampening feature that will smooth out the display of the sensor dash but NOT affect the raw data log viewed in RaceStudio?

And for the Pista which doesn't have this feature, they suggest slowing the sample rate, which affects both the data log and the display, which helps not overwhelm you with with the live data display but gives you very low frequency data log in race studio?
YEP!
OGRacing is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-25-2015, 10:06 AM   #12
Supporting Vendor
iTrader: (10)
 
Reverant's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Athens, Greece
Posts: 5,441
Total Cats: 198
Default

I just got ahold of the new MXG.

Crazy big display, bright and impressive.

I still can't add manual channels from the MS3 (EGTs, multiple lamdas, oil pressure, generic sensors 1-16).

Again, no configurable filtering on any of the inputs, which is disappointing for a $2000 display.
Reverant is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-26-2015, 09:16 AM   #13
Supporting Vendor
Thread Starter
iTrader: (1)
 
OGRacing's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 1,764
Total Cats: 46
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Reverant View Post
I just got ahold of the new MXG.

Crazy big display, bright and impressive.

I still can't add manual channels from the MS3 (EGTs, multiple lamdas, oil pressure, generic sensors 1-16).

Again, no configurable filtering on any of the inputs, which is disappointing for a $2000 display.
are you running your imputs straight from a sensor, or are you getting your data threw an ecu?
OGRacing is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-26-2015, 06:08 PM   #14
Supporting Vendor
iTrader: (10)
 
Reverant's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Athens, Greece
Posts: 5,441
Total Cats: 198
Default

Example: The MXG still doesn't support oil pressure through the ECU, so the sensor is on analog input 1. At idle, it bounces +/- 5psi, there's no way you can read it (same as with my AiM MXL1).

It also doesn't support my 4x lamda sensors and my 4x EGTs. In fact, it doesn't support ANY of the EGTs on the ECU.
Reverant is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-27-2015, 09:45 PM   #15
Supporting Vendor
iTrader: (3)
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: San Diego
Posts: 2,865
Total Cats: 493
Default

Why are you wanting to display EGT on the AIM? Just for convenience when tuning?
ThePass is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-28-2015, 05:08 AM   #16
Supporting Vendor
iTrader: (10)
 
Reverant's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Athens, Greece
Posts: 5,441
Total Cats: 198
Default

Why would I NOT want to see it?
Reverant is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-30-2015, 11:09 AM   #17
Supporting Vendor
Thread Starter
iTrader: (1)
 
OGRacing's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 1,764
Total Cats: 46
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Reverant View Post
Example: The MXG still doesn't support oil pressure through the ECU, so the sensor is on analog input 1. At idle, it bounces +/- 5psi, there's no way you can read it (same as with my AiM MXL1).

It also doesn't support my 4x lamda sensors and my 4x EGTs. In fact, it doesn't support ANY of the EGTs on the ECU.
that explains a lot. I talked to aim. Due to the variety of megasquirt Ecu's they haven't found full compatibility with all of them yet. basically your having a $2000 dash trying to read threw a $500 ecu. we don't know if slowing the refresh rate will solve your issue. an easy work around would be to buy a AIM oil sensor and plug it into the dash.
OGRacing is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-30-2015, 02:45 PM   #18
Supporting Vendor
iTrader: (10)
 
Reverant's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Athens, Greece
Posts: 5,441
Total Cats: 198
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by OGRacing View Post
that explains a lot. I talked to aim. Due to the variety of megasquirt Ecu's they haven't found full compatibility with all of them yet. basically your having a $2000 dash trying to read threw a $500 ecu. we don't know if slowing the refresh rate will solve your issue. an easy work around would be to buy a AIM oil sensor and plug it into the dash.
That's completely not acceptable for a $2000 dash, which is why it's already gone.
Reverant is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-30-2015, 03:07 PM   #19
Supporting Vendor
iTrader: (3)
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: San Diego
Posts: 2,865
Total Cats: 493
Default

With these new-fangled fancy OE ECUs that have high-end sensors on anything and everything from the factory, the AiM plugs right in and pulls all that info straight through the factory sensors without issue right?

-Ryan
ThePass is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-30-2015, 04:01 PM   #20
Supporting Vendor
iTrader: (10)
 
Reverant's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Athens, Greece
Posts: 5,441
Total Cats: 198
Default

Not really, no.
Reverant is offline   Reply With Quote
 
 
Reply

Related Topics
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
1994 Spec Miata Race Car SM/SM2/SSM For Sale Quinn Cars for sale/trade 6 10-23-2016 08:58 AM
Re-Spring Tein FLEX or replace? Mazdaspeeder Suspension, Brakes, Drivetrain 21 10-03-2015 07:45 PM
Prepping for the cars first track day MechE Race Prep 70 09-12-2015 04:20 PM
Noob from Fort Worth, Texas checking in. Miatabro Meet and Greet 7 09-11-2015 01:13 PM


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:15 PM.