stevos555

I was thinking that turn signals and lights will not be needed on a track car. Did anyone remove the combo switch and wire a switch for wipers and fluid ? Any recommendations ?

matrussell122

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I'm on mobile but have some nice ones from work. I'll edit this post in the am with what I plan to use.

rrjwilson

I'm confused.
Why wouldn't indicator be used on track?
Is it not standard practice to indicate faster cars around you?

Arca_ex

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No, it's not.

rrjwilson

Then how do you signal you are pulling over to allow an overtake?
Driving at high speed you cannot just be slinging your hands out of the window for a high five or something.

masterjr33

actually.. yes. you wave someone around you normally.

x_25

It varies by country it seems. In the US we give point bys. Point out to the left to indicate you want the driver behind you to pass on the left. Point over the roof to indicate to pass on the right. A raised closed fist indicates you are slowing down to pull into the pits.

I know in germany (cause I watch to many ring videos) they use the indicators to show which way they are pulling over.

rrjwilson

Living in the UK and having driven on many tracks as a fair weather chassis wiggler every briefing tells you to indicate to <side is track dependent> and move over to allow others to pass.
They are next to your fingers and standard on every car so perfectly safe to do at speed straight out of a turn.

So in the US you kind of wave. I have always been impressed with the USA we have a track come here and beat the **** out of your car approach but this has genuinely taken me back.
Indicators are SO easy. You don't need to fit anything and they are already legally visible so work whatever the weather.
Hand gestures were replaced with indicators on cars anyway but you now us them for driving at high speed.

Although having seen some of the videos on here (like on Morello's thread and this i found through Morello's vid) some of the cars would have been blue flagged at UK events for not getting out of the way of faster cars.
Although we generally have more marshalls it seems from the videos I've seen. So code of conduct is enforced.

stevos555

I opened the question thinking that this would be an easy answer, eliminate the combo switch and wire in the washer and wipers to a switch. I did not realize we will be discussing the use of turn signals / indicators on the track. Some cars are AutoX and don't need these on the course at all as one car does the Solo at a time. I am sure the clean steering column is worth it for a track car with a cage as getting in and out even with removal of a steering wheel is always easier with out the stalk of the turn signal. I find it always catching me on my shirt or pants doing the acrobatics on the way out since I keep my seat position closer as I am short.

rrjwilson

Yes I'm sorry for the distractive text on my part. I truly am baffled at the come-hither waving of the US track system in comparison to the simple and already wired up indicators.
Although i must say we have many many fully caged track cars in the UK that still run stalks because we don't wave while driving at high speed.

If i was going to remove the stalks as you wish I would still keep the loom and wire in buttons because it is simply a sensible indication of intent.

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HarryB

Why would you remove them? You need half of their functions, so you need to wire something else to do the job. Something else which will be prone to failure, not so nicely integrated, and possibly just as heavy (OK, maybe a tad lighter). I would get removing them altogether, but since you need some of the functions I would leave them in place. Should be simple enough to rewire two switches though for wipers and fluid.

masterjr33

Great news is.. on a striaght. where you are allowed to pass.. you can take your LEFT hand off the wheel. and stick it out the window and point someone by. as you slow down to allow the pass easier.

because you dont need two hands on the wheel on a straight. at track days.

germanmiata

No on the ring you only allowed to overtake on the left. Indicator right means you saw the quicker car behind

concealer404

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What if i told you.... that you can pass in turns at track days?

masterjr33

what if i told you not on all tracks.
and not in all run groups.

concealer404

iTrader: (3)

Sure.

Which blanket statement is correct:

1) You can pass in turns during track days.

Or

2) You cannot pass in turns during track days.


Simply a question of the mechanics of the English language, where if you pick the wrong one and make a point based around it, your point also becomes wrong.

masterjr33

C: there are many open track days and many run groups that are only allowed to pass on straights or in specific passing zones. and only when given a wave or point by..

If i saw some tardo on the track with a blinker on, I am assuming he accidentally hit their stalk.. not that they are trying to give me a signal.

concealer404

iTrader: (3)

That's because US.

I'd rather the blinker, because i don't want to stick my hand out a window mid-corner. But that's not how this country does things.

engineered2win

I recommend you leave them stock. Even if your car never sees public roads ever again, you still should be using them to drive around the paddock as a basic courtesy. The #BecauseRacecar setups never work as well as stock, even with a fancy PDM setup controlling the turn signals and wipers.
Plus you have buttons further away from your normal field of vision. The buttons/switches in the center stack should be for things you don't need to touch on track or rarely need to touch(pumps, IG, starter, headlights, etc). I want things like the wipers on or as close to the wheel as possible.You don't even need to look to actuate the stock buttons, which is the goal here. As little distractions as possible.
I've never accidentally hit them with a stock steering wheel on track, and with a QD racing wheel you have even more room for activities.